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[UI] Buff the Pusat

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  1. Disclaimer: This is not my best written work, I am very busy this week, but I added some statistics along with some rants as a substitute that will argue my case. All I ask if that you be charitable to my post and try to interpret my writing as best as you can, thank you.

    ***Important*** Skip down to the paragraph that begins with 'I propose’ if you are honest with yourself and admit to either 1 or 2 of these statements . . .

    You’ve never seen someone use a Pusat in your server because it’s an overpriced and garbage ship, or . . .

    2) You realize the Pusat is garbage because you have it in your hanger—yet you would rather use your Goliath, Lightning, Tartarus, or even Spearhead instead.

    The Case to Buff the Pusat
    The Pusat has no special ability or damage/shield/HP designs, yet it the most expensive Uridium ship available for direct purchase at 250,000 Uridium in the shop. It is the least used Uridium ship, with the exception of the Defcom and the Yamato of course. I play on GE1, the most active server, and there are only a minority of players who use the Pusat.

    The Pusat is not the best in PvP, shooting NPCs, pure DPS output, pure defense in terms of shields/HP, surviving/escaping, or for supporting/healing other ships. I’m sure you can think of a number of ships that can fulfill all these roles better than a Pusat can.

    The Pusat has one extra laser than a Goliath (16 in total) but it is negligible. A regular Goliath with 15 lasers in total and with a 5% damage design can still hit harder than a Pusat assuming you have the same stats. Even a Lightning with its 5% damage design and 10 lasers only hits slightly less.

    In the Pusats’ defense it is often argued that it’s fast and has high damage, therefore it is optimal for killing noobs, botters, and for ‘hit and run tactics.’ This may be true but it is still a bogus argument—you can kill noobs and botters with any ship as long as it has a speed of at least a regular Goliath. Neither is it a good ‘hit and run’ ship--if you happen to be hit with an ice rocket, DCR rocket, or a slow mine, then it would be detrimental to your survival regarding the minuscule HP of the Pusat.

    The Dark Orbit developers have been particularly interested with balance updates in these past few months. They ought to balance the Pusat along with all the other ships and drone formations by at least giving the Pusat one special ability.

    I propose
    that since the Pusat is technically already a Vengeance ‘design’ that it not be given a special design that affects damage/shields/or HP--but be given any one of these modifications below. There is no need to create a whole new unique ability for the ship, its more work for the developers. . . Any one of these modifications would strengthen the argument for the Pusat as being the ultimate ‘hit and run’ ship . . .

    · 4 Extra Laser & 1 Extra Rocket Launcher Slots
    (In total: 20 Laser Slots & 2 R. Launcher Slots)
    · Ultimate Cloak (same as Spearhead)
    · Afterburner ability (same as Lightning)
    · Teleport (same as Mimesis)
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2018
  2. Tony[-6-]

    Tony[-6-] Someday Author

    Nice editing, I'm a Pusat player sometimes so I agree with you at 100%.
  3. apetown.

    apetown. Padavan

    I disagree, pusat is already really strong in its current state and ive preferred it always over tartarus. now that tartarus got speed debuff this makes pusat really best option of the hit&run class ships. combine damage equal to goli with energyleech and sabrsb = you have a beast. only donwisde pusat has is its very low hp but it was initially the idea to trade some hp for higher dmg. imo pusat is not needing any buffs at this moment.
  4. USS-Aries

    USS-Aries Forum Duke

    No need to buff the pusat, it's fast hard hitting and the best hit and run ship on the maps. An old saying comes to mind, you can't have your cake and eat it.
    apetown. likes this.
  5. The Pusat is not hard hitting, refer to the OP . . .

    Nor is the Pusat the best hit and run ship either by any standard, again . . .

  6. Sapphire

    Sapphire Forum Mogul

    It is and it will be, just like it was before Tartarus came out. And now because Tartarus have been nerfed, 100% sure most of them will use Pusat soon. :D
    Odin® likes this.
  7. Odin®

    Odin® Forum Great Master

    I want a Pusat real bad ... I am a Vengi nut case ... I can pop-tarts at will before the balance but the folks that have the Pusat rarely show up in it :( ... I'm a "mean-little-$hit" in a Vengeance Class ship design. I'm a Diminisher right now and so close to building 1 of the new ships I can taste it. I see 2 new ships coming soon to my collections ..

    Speed 370
    Cargo 1,000
    Lasers 16
    Generators 12
    Hit points 125,000
    Extras 3
  8. 99-to-life

    99-to-life Forum-Greenhorn

    I agree Pusat needs a buff, or some type of special ability, maybe like a phase type thing like Mimesis? The fact that it's pretty much just a Vengi right now with no speed boost, is dumb. Tart was way too fast, and to have rapid fire on top of that. DO did good nerfing Tart, they did it just right, not too much, not too little.

    Pusat needs a buff, maybe give it ult cloak ability? Or something new all together
  9. Sapphire

    Sapphire Forum Mogul

    And yet it's base speed is faster than any of the Venge and has damage of Goliath basically. It's as much hit and run as it should. Easy to kill, but easy to get killed.
  10. Λℓмоѕт•Fαмоυѕ

    Λℓмоѕт•Fαмоυѕ Forum Inhabitant

    I agree the Pusat needs a buff, but giving it a special ability like this isn't needed. All they need to do is make it's HP higher, that's literally it.
  11. batata

    batata Forum Inhabitant

    So we just came out of the tartarus plague and you want to jump right into another one... You call pusat "garbage" but in fact, before tartarus came out, it was in widespread use. It is expensive in fact and a more logical suggestion would be to lower its price, since it has been out for a long time now. Giving pusat ultimate clock or a speed boost wont make it a better "hit-and-run" ship than it is now. It will however transform it in a tartarus with more dmg but less HP.
    Regarding your argument about new player killing (which was the primary application of pusat before tartarus) I should point out that even if a goli can kill new players as well, there is always a chance of them escaping. Same thing is not so true with pusat since it is faster than any new player ship (especially with wheel). Those ability s you suggested would make pusat the ultimate new player killer ship (even more).
    So in conclusion I dont think it is a good idea to buff it, at least that way.
    Last edited: May 8, 2018
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  12. "Giving pusat ultimate clock or a speed boost wont make it a better "hit-and-run" ship than it is now. It will however transform it in a tartarus with more dmg but less HP."

    batata , you make no sense; ultimate cloak or speed boost abiltiies do not affect damage. Neither two will turn the Pusat into a Tartarus, nor even close to it, lol.
  13. batata

    batata Forum Inhabitant

    " batata , you make no sense; ultimate cloak or speed boost abiltiies do not affect damage" I had no idea...:rolleyes:
    What I mean is that pusat speed with a speed boost ability plus an ultimate clock would result in a tartarus like annoyance.
  14. BMλŋ916-ƒliesUSƒlaǧ

    BMλŋ916-ƒliesUSƒlaǧ Forum Commissioner

    Pusat is a ship for experienced pvp and is designed for pvp and is a monster in the hands of any worthy pilot. No need for a buff as it already hits more than the 7% dmg design golis and would make us who can fly it, unstoppable. And pusat is a hybrid vengeance that was once considered a design.

    At 5:18 mark of my posted video you will see the pusat.
    Last edited by moderator: May 28, 2018
  15. steviray

    steviray Junior Expert

    With the avenues that exist today to increase hitpoints, the Pusats weak Hull design is becom

    ing less of a factor. Its the ONLY reason I dont fly it. The firepower has outgrown the other aspects of the game. Taking that point into consideration. A small buff/balance may be in order for the Pusat. Power in the Game lies within the drone formation. The hull design would come in second when looking at where the power base of the account is.

    The pusats HP is appropriate for its purpose. it sacrifices armor for speed and firepower. The citadel sacs firepower AND speed? for armor. THere should be a design that offers no speed with good armor and guns hmmmm dont really see one. Maybe thats what the tart shouldve been.

    The above mentioned proposals would overpower the ship. with the exception of a "short" duration ult cloak. This would give the pusat a needed balance. Theoretically it wouldnt break the ship just add a few more seconds to a Pusat pilots life expectancy whatever that may or maynot be. Ultimate Cloak would be an appropriate skill to give to a fast attack craft like the Pusat. I LOVE MY DEFCOM. GIMME ONE WITH SIXTEEEN GUNS. COME GETTTT SOMMMEEE. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
  16. Bakjam

    Bakjam Exceptional Talent

    I absolutely disagree with the idea of buffing the Pusat (and no, not just because it is the best counter to the Spearhead).

    As mentioned by others, the Pusat (and before that the Vengeance Lightning) was widely used before the release of the Tartarus. With the upcoming nerf of that ship the Pusat will make a return, after all it will be the fastest ship again (along with the much weaker Spearhead).

    Personally, if any ship deserves any buffs it should be the Spearhead (which luckily gets some).

    I feel like history teaches us that any combination of speed and firepower encourages sniper tactics, unfair fights and creates a huge amount of annoyance.

    Get ready to jump into the new old Pusat invasion.
  17. Just because the Pusat was widely used doesn't mean it was good, only that it was the least worst ship available to players.

    I'll note again that the Cyborg is a better hit and run ship than the Pusat, the Pusat's extra 10 speed is negligible unless you've already gotten a distance away from someone and use wheel. The Cyborg does more damage, has more HP, and has a special ability. The Lightning is a better hit and run ship than the Pusat too, its special ability is specifically designed for running.

    There was another post made where one person suggested the Pusat be given 20 lasers and 2 hellstorm launchers - This is a great idea because then it will truly be the best hit and run ship in the game.

    The Pusat NEEDS a buff, 250K uridium ship with no ability and is frequently popped in one shot is absurd.
  18. coobo99

    coobo99 Junior Expert

    The only time the pusat is a good ship is when it's in a group with other pusats and it's tanked with double boosted shields against enemies weaker than any single of the other pusats if the pusats were in golis.
    Wirwerdenniesosein likes this.
  19. Bakjam

    Bakjam Exceptional Talent

    I disagree, just because it is a hit and run ship doesn't mean it should be able to deal the most damage. Part of the hit and run strategy is to seek out weaker targets and to know your surroundings. I feel like you shouldn't use hit and run ships to take out the 'heavier ships' of the game.

    Besides, on that regard we should buff the Spearhead and Citadel first. I mean a tank ship that can tank less damage than a standard battle ship? Or a scout ship that has almost the same speed as a heavy battle cruiser (Tartarus)?
  20. Okay Bakjam -- So therefore every ship can be a hit and run ship if you 1) seek out weaker players and 2) are aware of your surroundings.

    That's absurd. That's a poor and literal definition of a hit and run ship.

    Side note: the Tartarus shouldn't have the same speed as a scout ship, but that's irreverent to the discussion of the Pusat.

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