Why is DK so OP?

F2P DK vs F2P dwarf/ranger = F2P DK OP

P2P DK vs P2P dwarf/ragner = P2P DK godlike invincible tank never die

SW seems to be the only class that stand a chance against DKs of equal gears and lvl.

1v1 arena, DK win because never die
3v3 deathmatch DK win because never die
5v5 deathmatch DKs are the stars of the show, just unstoppable.
Why does this game favor DK so much?
Why do DKs have so much armor and HP and so much HP REGEN SKILL?

I think Drakensang should just delete the ranger and dwarf classes. Too many people choose these 2 classes only to realize too late that they suck.

Drakensang = DK-sang, a fact.

PS. Please don't give me the pay-to-win EDIT. DK is OP AS A CLASS.

 

Mmmmm hmmmm. I think there's one of these threads for every class except SM. If you read through the multitude of great advice in them, it boils down to a point where YOU are the problem.

 

This suspiciously smells like you got your behind handed to you by an OP character, apparently a DK. They are not all like that, you know. Your statement is awfully prejudicial, racist, generalizing, incorrect, based on superficial knowledge of the game and not well thought out, among other things. Shame on you 8)

 

I think you'll find ranger is not bad class. When I pvp in my ranger, as long as the target is not a massively op p2p then 3 precisions or a bird of prey and 2 precisions is more than enough to kill a marked target on full hp. Plus, I have quite a high crit rate so if I crit the 2 precisions is enough. Even if they are p2p,and I've just been doing some pvp in which there were lots of them, you can still take them down if you have someone with you and you stun them. 3 crit precious and a bird of prey does amount to a lot of damage.

 

That's mid-game pvp. End game pvp is different. Rangers are good as long as you can kill your opponent (duh). But imagine a dk with over 18k hp (possible now), 5k armor, and 2k block -> he is literally INVINCIBLE. He can just stand there and a full p2p ranger can spam 3 precision shots > adrenaline > 3 more precision shots and barely scratch him. Now imagine he's moving around dodging your shots and trying to kill you. You get it right?

DK is the only class that can achieve INVINCIBILITY, no other classes can. End game ranger is the worst class. Even the dwarfs are extremely good at 5v5.

Note: ranger being possibly the worst class does not mean it is a bad class, just relatively compared to others.

It is only my dream that the DSO devs can balance the classes like it is subtly done in L of L. But clearly, most of the devs are playing either spellweavers or dks. I mean with the new set from mysterious cubes SWs and DKs both get 25% CD reduction on their escape skills and ranger gets -25% CD off of trail of thorns? Really? REALLY? DEVS DEVS If you want all rangers to go play pve while SWs and DKS enjoy hot action in pvp just say so. Don't need to be indirect.

Again, there are no bad classes. Only underpowered and overpowered classes.

 

Hummm, if DKs are so OP, then why is it most common to have SWs and RAs at the top of the leader boards?
On Agathon, we have the following.
#1- RA
#2- SW
#3- SW
#4- SM (Incredibly OP flag runner who has over 90% of his points from 5v5 and has more persistence and money than skill)
#5- SW
#6- SW
#7- RA
#8- DK
#9- DK
#10-DK

 

Because even a loser noob could get to the top of the leader boards if he does not sleep and does not eat and only pvp 24-7. You win, you get honor points, you lose, you get honor points. The more you pvp you more honor points you will get. Rather, you should consider their win-lose ratios and ELO as an indicaton.

No, not even win-lose ratios and ELO are accurate indicators of classes balance because that is heavily dependent on the pairing of players. If you pair a noob DK against a p2p ranger, ranger wins. You really have to experience the class-unbalance yourself.

Let's also not forget the 3x honor point bonus. That SM is an alt of a Field Marshal who has no life, plays DSO like a drug addict, and probably spent over $20k USD on this game.

Note how many SWs are on that list. SW is probably as OP in pvp as DK if properly buffed since they have the best crowd control and best single (double if you count mind control) escape teleport. The only reason that it is hard to argue that SWs are OP is because they are just as kill-able as rangers - a few hits and they're dead. But in most cases by the time you kill SWs once you would have been killed by them twice or more (given that SW actually knows how to play).

 

DK so OP ? LOL
Thank you for allowing me laugh so much fun .

You should look at those top fighter is how to fight on the battlefield ,
DK really is the weakest of the classes , dwarf also better than DK now .

 

I totally agree with you

 

Actually, DK has some real flaws. If you ask me, Ranger is best these days. Playing a DK is very unrewarding till you get pretty decent gear amn have spent a lot of time.
The 18K hp Dks have spent a LOT of time into their character. It's a testament to their patience and persistence, not DK as class.

 

I guess this will never end... even when all players realise that the classes is somewhat balanced, but superior and inferior at a lot of different parts of the game, new players will join in and start to complain about unbalance.

DK´s can be really hard to build up, but in the end they can become monstrous.

That is only Agathon, on Heredur the #1 is currently a DK, and he is a beast. I have also seen even stronger DK´s, but they didn´t play as much PvP. The # on leaderboards isn´t everything
Also, have you ever heard of Daywalker2 on Balor? Last i checked(many months ago) he was #1 with more than 30 million honorpoints

Personally, i have trouble killing Rangers in PvP, but i find it easier to kill mages, whatever their rank.

Do you guys also consider PvE when saying XXX class is OP?

Well, have a fun time arguing about something there won´t be a final answer on!

 

The reason why PvE was not considered in class balance is because PvP is really the ultimate drive of this game.

Why do people PvE? To kill bosses and mobs to find and craft better gears. To do endless map2 runs for glyphs and gold. All these work go towards improving themselves for PvP. So essentially people PvE so they can PvP better. I don't think people spend thousands on this game only so they can have a better time playing PvE. They do it because it will make them better at PvP and better at PvE (which will also allow them to farm better gears faster and be even better at PvP)

Therefore, Developers, you can see that PvP is really the heart and soul of DSO and the motivation behind all your income. So why don't you guys try a little harder to balance the classes and also the matchmaking?

It will surely make everyone, not just the DKs and the SWs, but everyone a little happier and a little more willing to spend money on DSO and a little less likely to become bored, annoyed, and quit.

P.S. You can even do some simple statistics to see how much $$ people are willing to spend when they are playing mainly DK, SW, or Ranger/SM. I wouldn't be surprised that majority of the heavy spender addicts are DKs or SWs.

This would also agree with the observation that DKs and SWs appear more frequently in the leader boards than the Rangers/SMs because they on average have a easier and more pleasant time in PvP and therefore spend more time PvPing. Or that all the rangers have either quit DSO or switched to playing SW or DK.

 

I can't speak for others, but I do not like PVP in DSO. I did it for about 5 weeks to gain the useful PVE skills in the PVP tree and I sit at AKOTO and am likely to stay there until I'm completely bored with the other aspects I currently find entertaining. I'd much rather do a PW run with guildies than run a 5v5.

The only thing I found fun about PVP was getting whispered to after a match about how i was a noob because my legionnaire self was blasting people in the top tier ranks, so they of course thought I was ess'd and buffed up. I liked the fact that my rank told them I would be an easy target so they would stand there and go toe to toe a few times till they figured out I had 11k HP and 1800 dmg with a short bow. So to console themselves they would assume a lot and start whispering their disdain. That part was satisfying.

But, as a whole I dislike PVP. The ranks have little to do with skill or even capability of the toon and more to do with persistence and longevity. The variety of options is minimal with only 6v6 having any variation in theme. And winning in it depends on being randomly assigned to the right color. And since winning gets you nothing more than a title I find it pointless.

I don't begrudge others that find it the best part of the game because its all a matter of taste and preference. I have played games where pvp was challenging, had variety and I enjoyed it, I'm sure others have similar experiences.

The main point I guess is that not everyone follows the same path or likes the same things in the game, so generalizing that we're all trying to build uber pvp machines is inaccurate.

 

"5 weeks to gain the useful PVE skills in the PVP tree and I sit at AKOTO" <--- is that even possible? esp with the low population in tegan.
"had 11k HP and 1800 dmg with a short bow" <--- may i see your stats please.

Thanks

 

Rangers rock dude

 

@BigPapa
No need to post the same content after it was deleted by a moderator.
It is deleted because it is off topic.
If you want to show your ranger's stats there is appropriate section.

 

Sorry Mal, I thought I had posted those pics last night, but thought maybe I had screwed it up. I didn't know you had deleted them.

I do disagree though that it was off topic. The topic of the thread is that DK's are OP. I posted a ranger with decent stats to show that wasn't necessarily true. Markomiljanov, made that connection in the post above yours. So you deleted a counter point although it came up because of my PVP statement.

All good though, no harm and you get the magic button to make those chioces.

 

@BigPapa
Feel free to include a link from your post in Showcase Your Ranger thread.

 

No biggie, Readypost got to see and answer his inquiry and others can find it if interested. Sorry, didn't intend to Hijack the thread.

 

Well DKs and SWs rock more.