Is gaining crit. rate worth losing damage?

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  1. Morinphen

    Morinphen Forum Overlooker

    Let me expand.

    I once got Karabossa's weapon and scored pretty high stats (+57 damage, +480 crit. rate), but I never really used it, and looking into it now. My main 1H is better and a little faster (only by 6%, not a big deal), but has no crit. and 2 less gem slots. On the weapons, the difference is of about 40 damage (Karabossa - 140 DPS, my leg. 1H - 181 DPS). I'll ellaborate on my stats below.

    With Karabossa:
    • with defensive offhand: 516 - 549 damage, 1500 crit. rate (44,91%);
    • with offensive offhand: 560 - 593 damage, 2315 crit. rate (55,71%).
    With my leg. weapon:
    • with defensive offhand: 536 - 577 damage, 1020 crit. rate (35,66%);
    • with offensive offhand: 580 - 622 damage, 1835 crit. rate (49,93%).
    This is with all gems transferred and everything (though mine are not that high-tier); critical damage is 206% (due to one line on my crystal that makes it slightly worse than it could've been if it was another line of damage or crit. rate instead - not focusing on critical damage for now). So, what are your opinions? Should I settle with the unique or my normal weapon? Thank you.
     
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  2. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador

    The math is so easy that you will know what to do almost all the time.

    Take your new max damage and devide the damage loss, you will get a percent. 10% is 10 and so on. Take the amount of % gained for critical value. Change that to like 5% is 5. Now multiply the number you get by your critical damage % 230% is 2.3. Since 2.3 x 5 is higher than 10 you gain damage...


    One friendly reminder. Take out green Essence. You might say with green essence I have a slight gain and with out it a slight loss. With red essence it is 4x larger loss.. Nuff said...
     
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  3. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    You can use the dpi calculator to get a sense of which weapon set is better.

    Also, does your legendary have weapon enhanced damage? If it does, that effect will get magnified as you improve your rubies.
     
  4. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador


    The DPI Calculator can work but only if you really have the time to put into it. Plus if you input a figure in wrong good luck...

    29 damage loss is %4.8 and you gain %5.8 crit chance... So as you can see that is a far better trade off you will out damage with karbosa. You did not provide with attack speed so I guess they are the same...
     
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  5. Morinphen

    Morinphen Forum Overlooker

    It does... but only one line of about 20%, and again, my gems (especially offensive ones, as I've been getting these less as compared to defensive ones) are still not the best of tiers... so no real game-breaker there. Looking over the numbers again, I lose about 20 damage for 5-10% critical chance (weird, though... as the damage loss on the weapons' DPS is 40, not 20). Still not sure.
     
  6. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador


    Dps is damage per secound and that takes hight and low plus speed. Also if you have increase weapon damage % then you have to swap gems before you can do the math.
     
  7. Silentmist

    Silentmist Junior Expert

    Tha math is easy but don't try what meganuker said at home :)
    You can use a simple formula for your damage, put the values in excel and it will take 30 sec to calculate it.
    (minDmg+maxDmg)/2 * atkSpeed * (1+critRate/100*(critDmg/100 - 1)
    With a speed of 1 and 1.06 here the results:
    kara def: 780 / kara off 910
    legend def: 806 / legend off: 967

    If you want to compare pure dmg use atkSpeed=1
     
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  8. Morinphen

    Morinphen Forum Overlooker

    The calculator requires quite some time, and I'm not fully familiar with it, so I'll pass.

    I did not directly provide the speed values, but it's easily deducable - Karabossa has 1.00 while my leg. has 1.06. So, you're saying that the Karabossa weapon wins? Or can that extra 0.06 speed turn the table for the legendary?
    The numbers provided in the initial post are with all the gems transferred.
    I trust that MegaNuker's method is legit, but I am not keen on Maths in the slightest, so his first explanation was a tad too much for me :D (although I do appreciate the input ;)).

    Well, according to you then, the Karabossa's not worth the switch. When downgrading the leg. to 1.00 speed in the formula, it has slightly less values than Karabossa... but that's not the real number the leg. has on it. Thank your for your feddback as well :).
     
  9. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador


    Your math has a few items that are not needed. No need to do max/min when your dealing with the crit value. There would be a concern when comparing two wand based on damage. I still do not rely to heavly on the min/max too much... weapons are the same just the increase weapon damage increases the top number more than the bottom. Speed is not really a factor much inside the same break point but it does help increase the speed you get from other items that increase attack speed...
     
  10. fourtwenty68

    fourtwenty68 Board Analyst

    easiest way is to find a creature ur level, i use souls in oob to test my gear.
    crit hit n crit damage and speed is sometimes better than base damage.
    givin ur crit hit is say 2000 with slow hits but with speed is say 1800(losing base damage but with same crit hit n crit damage), depending on how fast u hit, u might be better off with the 1800.

    but u need to keep ur CH 45% to 50%+ to be effective.
    i see alot of high base damage say 1500+ with low CD around 215,which would make a low BD n high CH n CD just as effective.

    testing gear is key :D
     
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    Heaven Junior Expert

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