How PvP has been destroyed in one release.

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  1. Aragorn018

    Aragorn018 Forum Apprentice

    Hi everybody,
    as you probably know, on wednesday the 26th the new patch (r155) has been released.
    Eager to see its content I started farming and quickly reached level 50.
    I noticed, while I was leveling up, that characters could manage to get extraordinary amounts of damages, and I started worrying about it. My concers were mostly about PvP, so today I went to Kingshill Royal Arena, with a defensive setup on my old Dragonknight, and asked some helpful players to test me, in order to see how much those damages would change the current meta.
    Now, here's my setup:
    [​IMG]
    As you can see, many of these defensive stats would have been considered end-game pre r155, but now it's seems they're just not enough to survive more than two seconds.
    I used 25 points to completely fill the "Steadfastness" talent in the fame tree before I started testing.
    I asked a ranger and a mage to test me (which I both thank for the help), the ranger (which claimed he had a 3,1k damages setup, using a crappy bow with no gems in it), after using the new armour-break skill hit me several times with precision shot for over 15k damages when blocked; the damages without the new armour-break skill where around 5-6k when blocked.
    Same thing happened with the mage (which didn't revealed his damages, but were probably way lower than the ranger's one), who hit me for almost 12k with a single lightning strike unblocked with no armour-break skill before the hit.
    PvP in this way is obviously broken, not only for Dragonknights, who now can't take more than two hits, but for ranged classes too, since the first one who will hit, will oneshot his/her opponent.
    This new system is completely and deeply broken, I can't believe no PvP testing has been done before releasing it, you really need to fix it as soon as possible, but hopefully after some intense testing (I'm sure you're aware that it is from PvP that 90% of players's donation come from).
     
  2. crazyelli

    crazyelli Junior Expert

    yes they have broken the game so much i think there is no coming back to what would be even a half-way of a balance so i am going to find a game that wont do what DSO has done to all of us that have worked hard for what we had
     
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  3. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    BTW, blocking is bugged right now. The higher your block reduction, the more damage you take when you block.
     
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  4. Kiwigal1244

    Kiwigal1244 Active Author

    unfortunately the exodus has already begun.. with players finding and playing another game already.. This is just a mess now.. Many players.. spent hours of farming and expense on Anders.. to only find themselves back at the bottom of the heap. Their hard work... ALL for nothing. Good luck DSO.. you will need it I think.
     
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  5. Aragorn018

    Aragorn018 Forum Apprentice

    I didn't knew there was a bug regarding block reduction, so I'll probably test later on when (and if) they'll fix it.
    Anyway, unblocked damages too were still way too high, I really hope they'll take a step back and release a balance patch only after a lot of PvP testing.
    The right moves for a release that game-changing would have been to start an open beta and run it for a couple months before the release (I'm sure many of you knows what game had recently a huge release and successfully followed that... path :p), in order to collect feedbacks from most of the community, not only from the 2% who managed to get in test server for a limited amount of time.
     
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  6. bendover

    bendover Junior Expert

    I see what you did there XD
    You need to be.... exiled :p
     
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  7. Vazful

    Vazful Junior Expert

    I think Dragon Hide has also been nerfed a lot. i see geting some tonz of dmges even with it.

    and btw the problem are the damages of the classes (especially the rage classes). they are simply too high, even better astronomical numbers.

    If in a game with the most tanky class and build u have to die with 2-3 skills then obvisouly the game is broken but also there is no room for ANY kind of build. Its all about that burst dmg. I see my life going to 10% from 3500 Health and 62% armor with one or two skills. Almost with every single archer i play with. Funny thing is i was thinking. that primary stats for me is going to be armor but still i die like shit.
     
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  8. bloodyneo

    bloodyneo Forum Master

    this release stoped the dks being invincibles in the arena ..thanks bigpoint for the fair play
     
  9. crazyelli

    crazyelli Junior Expert

    lmao neo we never was you used to kill me all the time never invincible but before i atleast had a chance,, now you 1 shot kill every time,, and thats fair?
     
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  10. draco994

    draco994 Active Author

    lol, neo, u r one of the most powerful rangers in tegan who used to kill the dks, and now we are killed by almost all in one or two shot and what is that for.... we cant range attack and we need to come close and u say u can kill us now with one or two shot even before we swing one and that is fair play , ... lol
     
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  11. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    What they said... "Fair" means that it is an even toss up between two players of similar skill, gear, and gems. It is no where near "Fair" now because the DK is dead before he can get anywhere near the SWs, RAs, and SMs.
     
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  12. Aragorn018

    Aragorn018 Forum Apprentice

    Apparently people are too busy comparing classes (and always asking senseless buffs for its own, and nerfs for others) to realize that PvP is broken for every player.
    You'll tell me when any ranger will oneshot you, if you still like this release ;) but from many comments I read so far (wondering why, mostly from rangers), I guess some people actually enjoy a game where PvP is just brainlessly shooting at your opponents for literally two seconds hoping to hit him before he does.
     
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  13. Xx_charles_silva_xX

    Xx_charles_silva_xX Count Count

    Hello, do you want to make a new video to show us the changes (that is supposed to exist) in PvP after the R156? Thanks.
     
  14. Aragorn018

    Aragorn018 Forum Apprentice

    Hello,
    unfortunately my connection doesn't allow me to make videos for the moment. I did, though, some more testing with an even more defensive setup (the one I use to tank Balor). Here it is:
    [​IMG]

    I survive longer than before, that's sure, but the damages of some skills still needs to be looked at (for rangers explosive arrow and precision shot after being marked+explosive arrow; for mages: frozen sphere and annihilation). Sadly many of the players I used to test with have left the game, so my datas are not as accurate as I would like them to be.
    I'll start testing again as soon as the heist event ends, for the moment my tought remains the same: they wanted dragonknights to choose between a full tank build or a "berserker" two-handed one, which is more in line with the classes of the classic mmorpg, but I'm not sure it can fit Dso's experience, especially PvP one.
     
  15. DebugPlayer

    DebugPlayer Forum Apprentice

    lol , This image is today (Sep 29 , 2015) of Leaderboards .
    what you say the "fair play"? You are a LIAR :rolleyes:


    [​IMG]
     
  16. -HARRA81-

    -HARRA81- Forum Mogul

    Since when the leaderboards have been the measurement of the class balance ? :)
     
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