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  1. pkkl000

    pkkl000 Forum Greenhorn

    Interesting??

    We hate bot

    Fucked a lot of good games because the bot

    South Korean people are sensitive to automatic hunting system



    If the patch is really good.

    Why only China and South Korea?
     
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  2. fab

    fab Advanced


    Points doesnt prove everything, use a mage and go against a ranger in tegan and see what you will get.
    Why not let those developers play the game by themselves in the arena, and they will have the BEST ANSWER they will ever ever get
     
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  3. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    They don't complain ... you are.
    Every post of yours since your first in this forum is same ... same ... and same all over again.
    If you managed to enter top 10 and you still whine ... that means:
    1. You spent all that time playing the arena and never learn how to fight
    2. You are violating the game rules ... more than one person is playing your account
    Which one is it? You are a cheater or you are a noob?

    And for those who whine their SW doesn't deal enough damage ....
    well ... you don't need damage ... you have chain of lightning ... you can easily kill the archer with a base damage of 300 ... since the 4 seconds immunity was taken away in R155.
    Just stun-kill to death.
     
  4. misterbean

    misterbean Padavan

    Yes, this is the most annoying thing for me when I meet mages with over 3 speed who spam lightning chain. I get stunned over and over again, all my skills get canceled, I can't do anything. Especially that stupid bird is so retarded, even after I call it and waiting for what seems to be a long time, it can still be canceled if I get stunned.
     
  5. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    My interest is not in answering for Haruki, I wouldn't presume to be able to do so effectively. My intent is to keep people like you from spinning the truth so that it affects perception of what is real. By pointing out your continued diatribe against every other class and moreso RA for years, and your success in PVP despite your constant complaints, it shows how invalid your argument and postion is. If RA's are destroying you with EA, get some armor and HP and quit running around with 3500HP so you can do more damage. Balance your toon and maybe I won't be able to stand in one place and pick you off. You see your interpretation of my lack of skill is simply knowing when to run/dive/blade dance and exercise skill, or just stand there and shoot at a scrambling SW with 3500HP. Yep, my resistance is pretty good, because I know i need it. You should exercise the same logic and put a little more effort into survival instead of reaching 6k damage. Afterall, the dead don't do damage.

    I will counteroffer your request for me to gain 12 mil Honor on an underdeveloped toon in PVP:rolleyes:. YOU go make a vid of your Ice Shpere damage against a moderate player and post it. I will do the same with EA. Show your skill setup, gear, fame points, and character sheet before you do, and give the general stats of the toon you are hitting. I will do the same. If Ice Shpere damage is not comparable to EA, i will never quote or answer one of your OP threads again. Go on, show us all how OP we are compared to you. You see im smart enough to do simple math. (380% x 5k) is comparable to (400% x 3k) with all the variables of armor resist crit and crit dmg we all have.
     
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  6. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Why do you guys keep comparing apples to bananas? 2h mage? It is a joke to go duel 2h. And you also cant compare EA to ice sphere. Ice sphere is highly unreliable slow casting limited distance limited damage area junk skill. You have to be real noob player to keep getting hits with ice sphere, it easily avoidable by playing outfield, or even getting close range.

    If you wanna do your whatever math, use balanced 1h builds with 2k dmg or something, and ranger with more hp.
     
  7. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Thats kinda been my point all along Seb. But, on Tegan at least, 2H is the common setup now since all the mages see a few very capable SW's being very successful with it in 5v5, and the damage is toooooo beautiful for them to pass up. So they go into a 5v5 (most popluar Tegan match) 2h doing mega damage by sneaking up on people that are engaged with somone else so they can land the blow and kill peeps with one or two shots, and then trip on their own skirt and die because they have tripple digit HP.

    My input all along has been that all classes have power and specialize in different ways. Instead of pointing out someone elses power and saying they are OP, they should be looking to take advantage of their own power. Further, the entire OP argument is ENDLESS and has been done to death because every pissed off toon that died in PVP needs to blame there lack of success on something. I got my butt handed to me repeatedly by 2H DK's pre R155. They were hard to beat and did way too much damage. No one could logically disagree with that. But, I didn't bring myself to the forum to moan, I instead found ways to work around it. The ones that did moan did so enough to get an entire class devestated by lack of forethought. OP arguments are just stupid, and get my attention here in the forums to at least get the information straight.
     
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  8. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    About the health bar issue.
    When I posted about erroneous health bars of players in the Arena, I was told previously that it could be due to lag.

    The following observations leads me to believe that it is not due to lag, but a bug in the game system:

    1. When a player enters the arena without getting a single hit, you can sometimes see their health bars half-way.

    2. After you have done significant damage, you see their health bars getting lowered, and then in a bit, you see their health bars back to full. I have been watching them very carefully. No, they have not used a potion. If it was lag, then you cannot see this kind of an effect.

    3. Sometimes, at the start of the match you see a totally black health bar and it never gets changed, so you have no idea how much damage you are inflicting. A match runs for about 2+ minutes and there cannot be that much lag to update the health bar.

    4. Why only the health bar lags? Why not the player lags? I don't believe BP is sending separate data packets to just update the health bar and yet separate packets to update player actions and position.
     
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  9. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Yeah, 5v5 is whole another fruit and because of the general pvp mess and no damage mitigation they do that, no hp mages hit you in a middle of a fight with someone else and get some points. You would kill them easily (1v1) as whatever class but you also die sometime as there is too much damage everywhere on the map, and perhaps the damage setup has its use in 5v5, and it's like a quake now. But as for the skills, my bottom line is that I would surely give up ice sphere if archer give up EA, even if the AB is moved to a bird or trap or pick one. It is a nice pve skill, true, but pvp - not so much. Fireball still remains best outfield pvp skill, combined with ice or chain lighting.

    Worst thing about it is the attack speed has no impact on the cast. I can go 4.00 (max possible) and the casting speed is the same as if I had 0.83. So surely 2h noobs enjoy it, with no gems or good items they still got something to offer. Pros - not so much.

    On general advantages of each class - agreement. Mages where always good in 5v5 thanks to stuns and singu. 5v5 is perhaps still their favorite and maybe they are still better than the others. However, they lost a lot. And if you take 5 mages against 5 rangers match, guess we all know the result.

    I can accept the fact that the mage is not designed for duels anymore. It is sad, but okay, I accepted it and forgot about pvp mess.

    Would love to get pve arena, when two separate teams try to kill something and whoever does that faster wins the game. Would be much more fun for me than current arena.
     
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  10. MANOJ

    MANOJ Forum Pro

    I agree.
    Have been observing this in arena myself and few friends complain the same.
    But having said this doesn't justify it. Someone needs to get some proof, maybe few videos to either validate this claim or others to disprove this.
    I myself am not sure if this is a visual bug or more than it. Have no time in a PvP match to clearly analyse this since I would get my butt kicked by opponents if I did so :D
    But whatever this is, it is killing us in pvp by ruining our tactics by displaying weird HP bars.
    This needs some fix ASAP because PvP is losing its fans already and such irritating glitch/or game ruining bug will make things even worse :rolleyes:
     
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  11. BoyssanBG

    BoyssanBG Forum Apprentice

    Hello Haruki,
    I have a question which is really important to me.I used to play this game only cause 1 reason PVP .Because any upgrades that we are making every day in PVE farming glyphs ,buying stones etc is connected to pvp to be better when we play vs other players.Unfortunatelly now the new pvp system that u made is really really terrible and unplayable.The arena now is like how to say you have 2 options some players (it doesnt matter rangers or 2h mages kill u on hit ) or on others side u have unlimited running/healing dwarfs.So what are your plans about it ?ARe you planning to change this in better way ?Or are u planning to bring the immune back how was before realease 155 which IMO was really better for playing ? (noone cant stun you until death)I agree with the decision that you u take to change the stats on Life-keeper but are you thinking on some other ways to improve this arena somehow ?
    Thanks for answer
     
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  12. misterbean

    misterbean Padavan

    Can you please add a little colored dot next to each player's name in the group, depending on what essence they are currently using?
    There are so many cheaters who keep their essence while you waste yours. They say they use red but they don't even have green.
    I think this should be really easy to implement. We need to know who is using what essence.

    Also when is INVENTORY INSPECTION coming? It would be so cool to be able to inspect the items and stats of other players who are in the group, so you know who has dmg and who is lying. Some players setup for almost 4 speed but they have 500 dmg ... useless.
    They look really cool and you would say that they are really strong players, but they don't do dmg at all, they just look like they're doing.

    Also, regarding inventory inspection, it would be cool to be able to give some permissions to the one who is inspecting your inventory. Like: you can't delete items, but you can move the items around to try different setups. This way I could inspect my friend's inventory and suggest different builds he might try, especially if he's a beginner and needs advice. This would be a really good way of replacing the password sharing between people which leads to disaster in most cases.

    Or what if we could temporarily swap chars but without permissions to sell, melt, delete items... this could be just for fun... you take my ranger and I'll be the tank for a few minutes, let's have some fun.
     
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  13. Mindship

    Mindship Forum Inhabitant

    Nice. I wouldn't mind seeing this with players in wilderness maps too.
     
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  14. Nonempty1

    Nonempty1 Forum Greenhorn

    Or in an more apparent way, just as like PVP, showing different color circle on player steps.
     
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  15. misterbean

    misterbean Padavan

    Or their weapon should have an apparent glow, depending on what essence they are using. Just like the glow you see in the items on the floor when they drop from the mobs.

    Or the hp bar above their heads can be colored depending on what essences they are using. This would be so simple to implement and would be so useful
     
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  16. Balorien

    Balorien Someday Author

    As i didn't get an answer to my questions, i bring my post again to your attention, Haruki.
    May be it's good for your team and you to read it and see what is my (our) opinion on the changes on DK since R155. The result is an "impotent" clown, very hard to tank any boss with damage in a descent group, not to mention how bad the decision of this problem is with the highest lvl skill - which is not even close in compare to other classes skills on the same lvl.

    Balancing means if you take something, you add something ... so what will be the benefit for the DK in P159? IT SHOULD BE IN P159! Not like before waiting 2 months for balancing. Why are you trying to destroy the class?
     
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  17. fab

    fab Advanced

    Its a joke if you are telling me that my mage cant fight or doesnt have high damage, fireballs seems to deal with 137% ( with talent ) and now its only 126% how unfair it is.
    Secondly chain of lightning is only 44% wih talent stun is only 15% and what else, seems like rangers DICK ( bird ) can do even more damage than mage lightning
    And now comes a new skills which doesn't require cooldown and together with marking is x2 !
    Lastly those who doesn't complain about sw has already left the game , because of something or are you missing something ?
    ITS BECAUSE THE GAME IS UNBALANCED IN PVP, mages got lowest hp and somehow damage is not made back to compensate them.
    Come to tegan and show me how u kill a ranger with just a base damage of 300 with just COL and i would gladly accept it if you can prove it to me.
    Yeah i can kill rangers easily if they strip off all the resistance or maybe a lvl50 mage against a lvl40 ranger in the arena.
    Recently i saw a ranger ( posted by bargain ) doing EA on a DK and barely scratch him, hmm maybe try it on a mage and see what really happens then
     
  18. fab

    fab Advanced

    Oh yeah really, dive run or anything else ?
    You actually forgot that mages only got 1 escape route whiich is teleport, resistance gems and values is made to nerf mages even more.
    What you wanna show us then, EA a dk again ?
    Try it on a mage and show us
    Cmon everyone know dks is MADE to survive , and mages is create to die while rangers is create to survive and tank even a noob knows that !
    Yeah , you are clever playing as a ranger only noobs play mages isn't it.
     
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  19. babu_o_babu

    babu_o_babu Advanced

    You make it sound as if opponent gets stun every time a mage use chain lighting skills since the immunity skill was removed?

    I am a SW, and I most contradict. Would you care to explain how a SW (are you referring to end game SW?) can kill archer with mere base damage of 300 and getting stun every hit? Can you reproduce this scenario? Even if it so, it most be game glitch because there is only 15% change of stun when chain lighting skill is execute and that only last for 0.5 sec. If that's the case You have to report this bug/ glitch to support.
     
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  20. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Lifekeeper nerf is such a joke. So now for only 1500 DKs will enjoy still very very good item, that means never-pvp for me, as those fights are zero fun. And other classes can only enjoy junk weapons that probably noone purchased, and that junk is for 6k.

    All other classes skills except 1-2 will remain useless, and will require a person to guess whom they would end up with in duel, and be lucky as those dk require dmg centric setups and certain skill selection.

    BP, you are a big failure nowadays. You cannot do anything right and cannot accept the fact of mistakes, and address them with sincere apologies. You are killing the game with every new change.

    I know you use our addiction as a safety reason to bastardize the game, but sooner or later we will focus our addictive needs to something else.

    And bottom line:
    That item should have never ever make it onto the game. If you are still so crazy to keep it, it should cost 6k drakens no matter what, so those who own it should be offered a complete refund and an option to buy it again for 6k, not for 1.5k
     
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