Suggestion Combat Value Breakdown

Because of socket items and multi-piece set bonuses, it is really hard to truely compare the combat value of two items of the same type. Example:

1) Gold Ring, Extra Item, Lvl 37, +16 Dam, +14.31% Crit Dam, +249 Health. CV = 613
2) Platinum Ring, Legend Item, Lvl 39, +19 Dam, +9.6% Crit Dam, +243 Crit Rate. CV = 491

See, the problem here is that with item 1 I have such a low Crit rate, that the +14.31% Crit Dam is null and void. Seriously, it can't help cause I almost never make critical hits. Now, if I had a really high Crit Rate, then the +14.31 would be worth something. In truth, the Crit Dam of item 2 is probably worth more CV than in item 1 due to item 2 also having a + Crit Rate. It really depens on where the character is starting.

My first sugestion:
Stop grouping the bonuses. The Platimum Ring magic area should have read:
+19 Dam, +19 Crit Dam, +134 Crit Rate, +109 Crit Rate.

The second and main suggestion I'm trying to make here:
Make the right side a "CV" Column and put the CV for each attribute to the right under "CV" (where it currently is). To expand on that, what is the CV for the "+19 Dam"? What is the CV for the "+9.6 Crit Dam"? (etc.) Same thing for the gems. My other Platinum Ring has two gem slots, one of them has a gem. What is the CV for the gem that is there?

Most of us can add, so don't really need an item total. However, a base item CV (in the case of weapons and armor - maybe to the right of the durabiltiy) would be handy.

I have one character who has a complete set (gets all the set bonuses). As such, the level of the items in the set are all red. This is because he is not finding any replacement items with better CV's. Not really finding any items even close. And I'm not getting Glyphs of Power fast enough too keep up, even though it takes _forever_ to get to the next level.

On another note: "20.00% faster weapon attack speed" could be rewritten to "+ 20.00% attack speed" and conveyed the same info.
Another another note: Cudos on fixing the item description windows so they stopped hanging off the bottom of the screen. That was annoying.

 

Lots of things to say.

The bonuses are not grouped if you don't look at them through the item comparator.

No. It is useful. I don't think you want to add 3 or 4 values each time you get an interesting item. Trust me it will become very annoying when you'll get lots of legendaries at a higher lvl.

Better suggestions were already made. The best was to separate the CV function into an offensive and a defensive one. here on your first ring you'd get xxx CV for the offensive enchants and xxx CV for the defensive ones. The sum of the CV of your items and the CV of your overall stats (with the items equipped) would make your total offensive/defensive CV. Your suggestion is just "showing the details of the CV of the items by decomposing it". Not very useful I think.

...In fact, they are different, and this is why they changed the description of the weapon enchants.
The formula for attack speed is (base wep atk speed*(1+wep atk speed enchants))*(1+atk speed enchants).
When you have 1.00 base weapon speed, 20% faster weapon attack speed and 10% faster attack speed, you get a total of 1.32 attack speed... not 1.30.

I'd say to not pay attention at all to the CV feature. It's utterly useless at this point. Just compare your stats wit more experienced players and try to replace your set (which I assume is the durian set) as fast as possible.

 

The CV system is one of the most complicated and most useless things in the game.
Here is an in depth break down of how it works and why it is broken.

The issue is a lot more complicated than comparing two items and seeing which would really help your CV. The important thing is to realize that BigPoint's developers are clueless about what makes for a good character and they need to be ignored completely. I've already offered feedback and even did all the math for them to show them a real system that would be a true measure of a toon's strength, but what Haruki said was "A two number system would be too hard to understand" as opposed to a one number system that has no meaning and lacks any sort of internal consistency.

 

Break down of your breakdown. Hopefully this comes out correct as it's my first time imbedding someone else's comments.

Which makes it opposite of what is usefull. This is considering having the CV for each item broken out.

On the contrary, it would be very usefull. When I have a low crit rate, then I wouldn't add the CV for crit damage because it doesn't count. As is, I don't know how much to subtract for that attribute. Same thing if you had an Attack CV and a Defense CV - how much CV to do subtract for an inconsequentail crit damage that is irrelevant? (I have seen your posts, by the way.)

To this point I'll submit. I've been playing since last September and must not have ever seen both at the same time.

Actually, the character has all 7 items (uses 6) of the Norsic Set. The problem arises that you have to have good replacement pieces for all 6 at the same time to swap out (that also accounts for the set bonuses). Not to mention the items that character is finding doesn't even come close to being as good with those 6 set bonuses (or would that be 6x6 set bonuses?).

In most games I've played, a complete Set is far more powerful than random items put together.
This is the first game I've ever gotten a complete set, came close a couple times, but less than a full set and you're lossing out.

How are you seeing into other people's builds? I still haven't figured out that one. Nor do I know how to show, in game, the items I have without typing the whole thing. Is there a way to paste into the chat?

 

Well for the moment I prefer comparing 2 values (CV+CV) than 8 values (2*4 enchants).
(I don't even care about CV lol)

No I didn't talk about the CV here, but about the enchants. My post was written starting from a central idea : "actual CV is useless".
If you delete the value grouping function, you'll have to add manually the enchant values of each legendary you find to see if it's better than your actual one. Noooot very practical.

The Nordic set isn't that bad for a new player. But considering you level up fast, finding new legendaries is not an option to keep up with the pace. (Or you can find parts of the deep Sea set on Gorga in the desecrated sanctuary)

On forums, it's the only way lol. Post screenshots of your stats here to get help from other players.

This function is coming soon... uh... I hope... they said so... some months ago...

 

Somewhat off topic but I wanted to comment on this part. I use the Norse set a lot on alts I am leveling since it is fairly easy to get. It is not necessary to replace all 6 pieces at once. Start with the last two bonuses (#5&6.) These a just damage; easy enough to replace with a new weapon or perhaps even an accessory (lh item w/ dmg enchants.)

The hard part (although not that hard) it getting speed gloves to replace set bonus #4 plus the enchantment on the set gloves. I can usually get 12% speed with exo (purple gloves.)

At this point all that is left is the helm, shoulders and torso. The dmg mods on these easily show up on regular gear. The HP bonuses that are left tend not to matter since these set pieces are really light on armor. Better armor, plus the likelyhood that you will get a resist and/or HP enchants will raise your effective HP enough to compensate for the HP loss.

The same is true of the Durian and other sets if you want to replace them. Just look at the bonuses and work them from the bottom up. Figure out which piece can be replaced to offset the lost bonus.

//edit// Just to keep this a bit on topic... notice that CV plays no part in this process

Luck be with ye,
Mikey,
Tegan

 

If you are using a Windows computer, hitting the F10 key will generate an image of your Drakensang screen. I don't know how people get the screen shot that includes the text descriptions of the loot though. Someone else may be able to share that.

Here are instructions on how to take your picture and share it with everyone.