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Suggestion Bring back crit in Gwenfara's shield

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by MrBIG, Oct 22, 2019.

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Bring back crit in Gwenfara's shield?

  1. Yes

    44.0%
  2. No

    36.0%
  3. I'm mage

    20.0%
  1. MrBIG

    MrBIG Forum-Greenhorn

    As you know mages crybabies BM(bloodmage weapon) will not be nerfed(fixed) so bring back crit to tank's gwenfara's shield .
     
  2. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Hi MrBig,

    the difference is, that while bloodmoon weapon is same for all classes and most of others just do not use it, because they have more Bonus on q7 than mages, Not all classes had those crit-shields.

    They could for sure bring them back, if they implement same shields for all classes, so others get same critical values, with Maximum blockrate in PvP.
    As Event is coming, this would be perfekt Timing.

    So you could expand your voting by:
    "Bring back gwenfara shields but for all classes."
    I would sign that immediately. :D
     
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  3. gfffffgggggfff

    gfffffgggggfff Forum-Apprentice

    or just buff DK smash damage then pvp and pve are more balanced
     
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  4. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    Mages, Rangers and dwarfs each have a weapon that gives crit the same as an axe does for a warrior, they can also use critical offhand items.. while the war can only use a shield so its only fair that we get the crit back on the gwenfara shield x)
     
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  5. gfffffgggggfff

    gfffffgggggfff Forum-Apprentice

    BP will never give all the classes a critical+block shield dude, get real. we have cloacks that provide income for BP
     
  6. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    But you know, those items have NO Block at all, so it is nothing to compare with a shield that grants you full blockrate AND critical hitrate .
    So why not give all classes same opportunity, unless you just want an unbalanced push of one class, what would be pure Lobbying and Not even worth wasting one second of my Time and those of many others to think about.
     
  7. rcch

    rcch Junior Expert

    I'm mage and I still think you guys can have the crit:)
    Granted you guys beat me on 1v1 with those but I suspect that pvp will soon be further EDIT by BP wit new gear.
    And since you need to get up/close and personal against us ranged fighters you can have this.

    Even bigger reasons against this change are that I know that many of you have invested precious resources to get these to T8 and I'm always against all nerfs targetting 1 class. 2ndly I did not really see big balance issues to be fixed(I've always been beaten by DK's in 1v1 but that is just because I suck at it) Maybe BP has some other statistics on this but I doubt and they just changed these for "homogenous" 1 size fits EDIT
     
    Last edited by moderator: Oct 23, 2019
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  8. Dzungla

    Dzungla Padavan

    If you don't understand why ranged and melee classes shouldn't have same stats & gear ...
    I'm glad that someone does!


    And if you (all ranged chars) still don't get the difference :

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    So, if you have block same as we do, we should have dragon fire breath with 20m range, ice claw throwing knifes etc. :D
    But, then we wouldn't be melee class.


    DK class has been nerfed so many times in this game that I really have forgot all

    For example - we have a healing skill (called Outburst in latest RLs). Ok, mostly used in pvp but - rage cost outside arena is lesser than pvp (60 vs 75). Why - because FBC skill is giving rage (40 by default and 60 with used pts) and whiners do what they do best - haven't learn how to play/avoid - instead they cried that DK is OP cz of healing and now you cant call heal with FBC rage buff because it is lesser than amount needed to do that.

    Beside all that, I would agree with removing crit form a shield if and only if cloaks didn't get one in base stats.

    Now this is double nerf for DKs and it is self explainable.

    And when it came to bug fixing for mages which is pve related, even that can't be done and for example - BM staff is/was available every month and Gwenfara's shield wasn't, highest tier was the same exactly like core needed - so where is the dif.

    I really don't have anything against that mages weapon, it is for pve so they are dmg related class, let them be ... bug :D
     
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  9. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Yes but they have already higher enchantments of Life, they have healing, they have immunity, they have Option to increase runnspeed to get near the ranged classes, have most Stuns, to compensate that disadvantage of range, so why should they on Top need the ability to get highest crtitical hit rate as only class :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    Dude really?
    Ranged has stun, they have slow aka ice missile for mages
    You have dodging skills such as teleport, ranged players also has minions while being able to slow, evade and attack.
    Let me make this clear to you.
    You dont bring a knife to a gunfight unless youre bullet proof all over.
    It is for this reason that melee needs more damage in both pve and pvp and at the same time more defences and hp <- it is because all melee players brings knives to gunfights.
    EDIT:
    BIG EDIT :D
    Our offensive shields are spikey, they should not just enhance crit but have damage too...
    We are MELEE
    We should also be able to shield bash <- replace useless charge with shield bash give a base damage slightly lower than weapons to dks in our shields.
    (And yes I would consider being hit by one of our shields as a critical hit)
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2019
  11. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Yes realy :D

    All have their advantage and disadvantaged.
    No need of an Item only usable by one class.
    Give an shield with crtitical hitrate to all classes or to none. My point of view.
    You may have an other point of view.
    I may Not convince you, you surely will not convince me ;)
     
  12. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    And you will say this of course since you want easy kills
    There will be no convincing a ranged player to boost melee LOL
    Just like mages have 55000003521 excuses for other classes not to be boosted and when under severe pressure say hey look at mecs :D
     
  13. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Your must Not allways transfer your thoughts on others :rolleyes:
     
  14. hacker09897

    hacker09897 Forum-Apprentice

    I dont agree with that, becouse only shield gwenfara has critical hits. Wars can make now more crtical hits with 1h which has 3-4 crtical hits + shield = 5-6k crtical as the same on quiver or book. Secound no need more critical hits ,becouse we have more items which has stats with critical: example cloaks or q9 amulet. We can also crafted helmet with 4x crtical hits and adomment.
    Btw it should be on this question too answer (is fair ).
     
  15. Hiro73

    Hiro73 Padavan

    How can ranged chars have full block? When did these classes become tanks?
     
  16. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    Thoughts or facts?
    Anyways it is a common practice to give melee classes more damage hp and defensive stats than ranged.
    And yes even with greater speed because melee characters are athletes thats why.
    So far ive found 2 games that is balanced between melee and ranged <- believe me the melee is really strong and the ranged can do serious damage. ( and its balanced :D )
    you understand that unique lines is not valid in pvp iow the 7.5% from Q9 is void?
    You understand that crafted enchants is not valid in pvp?
    Heck not even gems count in pvp

    anyways this ranged vs melee war is in many games across the board.
    How the 2 games I mentioned has solved it is quite simple
    firstly they gave melee uber stats damage hp and defences so iow where a mage has for example 500 base damage give the dk 1500 base damage
    Now here comes the trick
    how does a ranged player keep up with a melee player that has super stats? heck in either both pve and pvp?
    simple the skills damage is 4 to 5 times higher
    which almost works in dso except some skills from ranged needs to be boosted more, then the dks needs more base damage hp and defenses than they have now the damage level in skills between ranged and melee should equate to 1:1
    in other words the dk has 30k damage at a 100% skill base while the ranged has 15k damage but the min skill damage should then be 200%
    and so it goes
    hp ratio between ranged and melee 2:1
    defenses the same 2:1
    then its all fair and viable
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2019
  17. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Since all classes get Bonus on Block in PvP and since Tanks Deal damage in PvP as well and Not just Tank :rolleyes:

    No one, except tank, will Run onehanded in pve, especially if his class has no heal and no aggro-skill :)
     
  18. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    Show me a single Action MMORPG in Isometric view like this one where a tank does not do insane damage :D
    Because I can give you a list and all the tanks in these games do insane damage
    Heck in the 1 game a tank is able to 1h a 2h weapon as a perk 20% less damage on the 2h but its still his perk and yes able to wield a shield at the same time.
    Then I can show you a game where the 1h has insane aggro and hes a tank and his damage rival that of top dps classes
    This how melee players in this game is treated is a joke
     
  19. Hiro73

    Hiro73 Padavan

    This game would be much more balanced in pvp and pve if someone would introduce the attributes like in other great games ...
    Strenght, Dexterity, Intelligence, Vitality, Agility, Concentration, Resistance, Defense, Precision etc.
    Attributes must work in pvp and pve.
     
  20. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Show me your ranger, spellweaver and midget that you actually played so you can make comparison between all classes :p
    We are talking THIS game ... not tetris nor strip poker nor any other game :)
     

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