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Suggestion Cloaked Wrath, Starlight, Predator, Avenger - Weapons

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Would you like old weapons to be useful again?

  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
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  2. No

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  1. GχТнеВдтмди

    GχТнеВдтмди Forum-Greenhorn

    I'm not the best at photoshop, but what do you think?
    I would love if this old uniqs could be useful again :)

    When I first started DSO back in 2012 was because of players videos of pvp and seeing this good looking items made me want to play too.

    At this moment the items that we have don't look that great and I understand there are stuffs more important to do, but would be great if you could give us this items to use again.
    Many would want that I'm sure about it.

    My friends all want the old uniqs back, but what we have can't be used bcs of their status :(

    A question for the players:
    Would you like this items to be like this? useful again? :)

    PS: I don't find dwarf photo with weapon :(

    https://i.imgur.com/v0joVeF.png[​IMG]
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  2. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I have a better suggestion for the Ranger's weapon

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  3. Akageshi

    Akageshi Board Analyst

    Yes, I'd like all uniques to be useful.

    But just increasing damage/crit on them is not enough.
    Unique items should have unique abilities. Now that everything except base values does not count in pvp, devs can go wild with unique abilities. Though not with values (as shown in the previous post).
     
  4. GχТнеВдтмди

    GχТнеВдтмди Forum-Greenhorn

    Yes, but at first they should just bring them back and make them like in my post(useful)....
     
  5. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Useful to whom? :D
    Your DK and SW?
    It looks like you are not best in DSO weapon base stats either :)
    Sword and sword-like weapons like the Starlight in your picture can't have same base damage like Mace-like weapons with 1.00 base attack speed.
    1.18 base attack speed with same damage as Mace ... nice try :D
    BTW Starlight has 1.00 base attack speed with lower base damage because of the mana bonus

    And for both of you ... you have both missed the point :)
     
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  6. DBS-Flamelurker

    DBS-Flamelurker Advanced

    Coming with 215 :D
     
  7. Akageshi

    Akageshi Board Analyst

    You gave your trolling bow godlike stats to show the OP how op his suggestion would be, in a sarcastic way. That's the point.
    You forgot to give it 99% concentration reduction, though.
     
  8. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Duke

    99%? Who would use it? It should give 150% concentration cost reduction, at least.

    And sure - let's bring the old items back... but 1. not giving to 2 classes higher base attack speed than to the 2 others and 2. not the way you posted it.

    First thing that comes to my mind regarding Predator is that (correct me Traki if I'm wrong) there is no reason to keep conc. cost red. out of shortbows that we have the hoaxbows and no real base state difference between shortbows and longbows (everything is mixed up... yeah I know). Then it could be 40% more conc. on Predator unique ability. Then they could give us the ability to use core crafting on the bone coins set (I think you all know the reason).

    Or they could go back to what we had regarding ranger weapons on lvl50... but, while the chances for it to happen are somewhere between almost impossible and none, even if it did happen it would bring another cry wave of "stupid elves".
     
  9. GχТнеВдтмди

    GχТнеВдтмди Forum-Greenhorn

    Since it looks like you don't know, let me enlighten you with the knowledge of the gods:
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    This is what a t8 lvl 60 Kara weapon gives to DK.
    If I was to chose between Kara weapon and Cloaked Wrath with both given the same base stats, I will 100% chose Cloaked Wrath bcs of its beautiful looks.
    But if Kara weapon give better stats and speed ofc I would have to chose Kara...thats what everybody does....

    It seems like you missed the point. My picture was merely an example of what it should/could be.

    For DK class it should be exactly like Kara weapon so we could use it..
    I don't even get the point of swords being in this game any more, literally nobody use them since lvl 45....I don't see nobody with a sword in arena bcs is useless!

    For other classes idk, but I think we all should have critic on Cloaked Wrath/weapons 1h and the axe and sword should be the same, bcs nobody is going to use swords again if they are useless....

    Also I'm talking only about the base stats, bcs the bonuses don't work in pvp atm.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2019
  10. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Commissioner

  11. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Duke

    You do realise that DK is the only class that has crit on that item in base state on top of the sword-like base speed? Every other class has just regular sword base stats, but DK has crit also. How is it fair? How does it make sense for one weapon to be godlike? Your... "godlike knowledge"... isn't worth a broken cent. What is really godlike here... is the DK's weapon.
     
  12. GχТнеВдтмди

    GχТнеВдтмди Forum-Greenhorn

    What part of my post don't you understand? This is an example. Would you use Starlight with base dmg for example 593 dmg and 1.00 speed without critic or would you use vargulf weapon with 593 dmg 1.00 speed with 3000 critic?

    What I mean by my post is that swords weapons should have critic also and base dmg like any other weapon. Also for other classes too they should have critic in weapon and speed too.

    My knowledge isn't worth a broken cent? What are you? a kid? I'm just making a post with some ideas while you try to bash them cause perhaps my words aren't on your taste?

    Every time someone makes a post there are always some who says: don't do that, uh it so bad idea etc...
    Maybe try be more understanding and don't jump attacking everyone bcs what they say isn't on your taste. Peace#
     
  13. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Enlighten me oh you false prophet :)
    You are going to teach me base stats? :D
    Can you even read? If you can read the stats in your picture ... ranger's and midget's weapons have 1.00 base attack speed while the other two 1.18.

    This is what the stats look like on weapons with 1.00 base attack speed.
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    Predator has same base damage but 1.05 base attack speed with a difference the longbow has 20% concentration reduction.
    You made the stats wrong to begin with.

    But thanks for making the point and showing one of the reasons why is the new gearless arena broken. Because of the items with stats like shown in your picture. Tanks have been given an Axe weapon with attack speed of a Sword ... on top of it shields with crit hit. No other class can have those base stats :) That is why tanks have huge damage ultrasonic attack speed and almost max crit with shield in the arena ... lets not forget the healing :) But that is another topic.
    Tenebrous and Frigid Spider weapons are all same except ... tanks have crit hit and no other class has it.

    You suck in making weapons because you suck in logic.

    This is how Axe like weapons look like ... and they are same for all classes.
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    The midget's weapon is the same.

    This is what swords' base stats look like

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    This would be Axe equivalent wand ... note the 1.00 attack speed.

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    Items don't even have to be upgraded to T8 and level 60 to make a point.
    It is all the same calculation at the end.
    Sword has high attack speed but low damage.
    Mace has higher base damage but lower attack speed.
    Axe has something in between in terms of damage and base damage of Mace with a compensation in terms of base crit hit.

    Whatever you do with one of the base stats on any of those types of weapons ... you always compensate on other base stats.
    For example, if Axe should be made with higher base damage it would be compensated in lower crit hit. If it would have higher attack speed it would be compensated with lower crit hit or lower damage.


    There you go ... all your ignorance shown in your reply ;)
    Isn't it obvious people are trying to tell you "your items" are broken in favor to some classes over the others?
    Also ... Cloaked Wrath is a sword and can't have stats of an Axe.
    Yes that sword is one of the most cool looking items in the game ... together with Predator and the badass Power of the Alliance ... but that doesn't mean they should get stats of different item.
    There is a feature called Transmogrification ... this feature is most wanted feature by the players for years. I have covered it in my PvP proposal.
    Moreover ... there is no need to change items just because of the gearless arena (which is broken) since it was said it is only a temporary solution until they implement my proposal :D ... just kidding ... until they come up with complete PvP reworking.
    As for the PvE part ... there is no reason why shouldn't they (the devs) introduce more weapons and adjust the old ones. Instead of forcing everyone to play with stupid 2H weapons.

    BTW ... in case you haven't noticed ... I voted "Yes" because of the idea ... but you suck at base stats and creating items :)
     
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  14. Paavelson

    Paavelson Junior Expert

    hi. where does this drop. i want it asap. so i can throw q7 set over gliff and nuke it.
     
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