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  1. SiL3nT_OnE

    SiL3nT_OnE Forum-Apprentice

    I couldn't find any posts regarding my question/suggestion and that's why I am creating this post.

    Ahem, daily challenge post level 50 gives you triple gem refiner rewards : 5 (usually the 3rd reward), 10 + 10 from golden 1st and 3rd challenges.

    I get it, lots of people gather large amounts of normal gems and need large amounts of refiners to get them to Quizah gems.

    But what happens after you refine all of your gems is that you get 3 useless rewards of them 15 total.

    Will there be any changes to current 50-55 daily rewards challenge, regarding gem refiners that are pretty much useless once you refine all of your gems ?
     
  2. Sunlight

    Sunlight Board Administrator Team Drakensang Online

    Hey there @SiL3nT_OnE ,

    There are still players who haven't refined all of their gems. There are some example around the forum.
    There is no information about daily rewards challenge changes.
    What would you like to see? :)

    Cheers,
     
  3. thouvou000

    thouvou000 Forum Pro

    There is no way they gonna do that because if you think gem refiners are useless after you refine all of your gems, hahha you are so mistaken. So, lets say they remove them. Did you see how much the new qaizah gems cost? They cost 7k more ander for the offensive radiant gems and 3k more ander for the defensive gems compared to the "normal" gems. By buying just 1 qaizah radiant ruby you will waste 7k more ander than buying the unrefined gem and you only need 2 days of daily challenges to get 70 refiners to refine the radiant ruby(72 refiners is the cost for the offensive radiant gems). Think again before you post something like this and they do it for real. The only players that dont need refiners are fully royal gem players that have already refined their gems, which btw is super costly even for heavy payers
     
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  4. SiL3nT_OnE

    SiL3nT_OnE Forum-Apprentice

    @thouvou000 As first, the less important argument : not all players pay for the game, and slow earned Andermant is mostly spent on lockers and inventory, and the second : read the post again as it doesn't say REMOVE gem refiners, the point of post is to aim for daily reward system rework and to answer @Sunlight 's question as well; BP could make rewards of daily challenges as choice (im talking about challenge rewards and not about BONUS rewards for completing daily challenges).

    Example : your first daily row is kill respectivly 100, 300 and 600 worthy enemies. For each of this challenges you could choose your reward based on your needs, is it gonna be a Universal potion, x amount of Ancient Wisdom, coins, gem refiners or something other, totally your choice.
     
  5. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I should be done refining my gems in another two years (well, 1.75 years, but who's counting.)

    Plus, who's to say that in another year or two when they release LVL 60 or LVL 65 that they won't release a new type of gem and make you have to refine both kinds of old gems in to the newest gems?

    And what will you spend your slow earned ander on after you unlock all your inventory and locker space? I've been playing for over 5 years and have all that space open and the primary thing I use my ander on is gems. In light of that, thoubou000's idea makes a ton of sense. If you start saving the refiners now, then, by the time you have all your inventory space and locker space unlocked, then you will be in a good position to buy lower tier gems and immediately convert them up. Unless you plan on playing this game for 4-6 months and then moving on, you need to be thinking about the long game (one to two years in advance), and not just the short term like you are now. In the long run, thouvou000's idea is a very smart idea.

    My issue is that I've been playing for so long and using my ander for gems for so long that I have a great many large gems. Refining them is turning out to be a royal (pun) pain in the rear. As said above, unless I spend andermant, using the daily free refiners will take me over a year an a half to finish refining my gems. I find myself wising there was some better way to farm those blasted refiners.
     
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  6. thouvou000

    thouvou000 Forum Pro

    There is a better way to farm them and its quite new as well, let alone the best. Daily deals second rewards sometimes include 150 refiners at the cost of 12-13k ander. This is the best way to save your ander instead of spending them for buying only the refiner from the shop. Now you can spend them anywhere you want. xD
     
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  7. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    You should start to read the posts instead of working on your imagination.

    He just asked if there will be a changement in the actual system that gives you ONLY gem refiners as top tier reward while, all the ones with a grain of salt in their brain asked to make it similar it was previous R185 in which, simply switchin the challenge, you could get different rewards (purple or red ess).


    And this is totally wrong.
    As I clearly demostrated in this post the only ones that will keep using the refiners are cash shoppers (but just for limited time because there will be a point in which you will be full royal and also for those players the refiners will become useless). No matter how old is your char, how fast you can farm, you will never be able to sustain the amount of refiners you can get by the dailyes because you will have to farm 5k andermant per day.
    I tested it and with 9 hours gameplay I collected only 4.3k per day, with some more effort I could get a little over 5k but those, realistically speaking, are impossible values for normal ppl.
    Yes, there are OLD player that still have a lot of gems to refine BUT, as clearly stated, NOONE said to remove the refiners for the dailyes, they asked to give the option to get ALSO something else.

    Another option would be to implement a system that gives you refiners only if you actually have some gems in the inventory that still need to be refined, but I see this a bit complicated to implement (most of all because you should have the gem in the inventory before you could get the refiners, which is counter productive because you should like to do exactly the opposite).

    I give you exactly the opposite prediction, they will, for sure, change the actual system; they are just waiting the population that still need those refiners is shrinked enough to change it so they will have to handle less complaints (obviusly unfounded complaints because, if they do as we are suggesting, noone will lose anything).

    Thery are givin you plenty of those chances: daily deals, premium day, event rewards, bonus codes.
     
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  8. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I recently crafted a couple items and am still in the process of adding a couple slots to my stuff. I don't have 12-13k lying around at the moment. Taking a nine month break from the game has not been kind to my toon.
     
  9. SiL3nT_OnE

    SiL3nT_OnE Forum-Apprentice

  10. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    i'm only 1 royal ruby left to finish their from refinning, i did 1st onyxes... so... i'm still not sure about go ahead with diamonds or cianites to refine... cause i wanna craft a full dmg torso and need so much armor to balance that, but for the other hand.. i pumped my resistances from 47% to 65% and felt quite sweet change ^^.... so i'm still thinking about, and yea.. i'm using the daily rewards for refiners and runes of "revalorization" in order to pump up crit dmg runes or % armor runes... still cooking this too xD but just saving them until i get a decision
     
  11. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Exceptional Talent

    I'm going to add to what Baragain has put down, which further's what he's said:
    My SW, Sirius8lack has all Polished and Radiant gems. All have been converted (took 4-5 months) and has been collecting those Refiners nearly every day since (had 450+ before Premium Day). Now, there was some great deals on gems on Premium Day. I bought 3 "pairs" of gems - old style - and refined them. The cost of the Quazy Gems wasn't such a great deal, the old gems were. There was a day we needed the refiners. I would have bought more gems, but my Ander was low (cause we didn't know what we needed for the day before hand).

    Next, the Release 200 is bringing out Painful plus on many areas that are "old gem" maps. You hearing that? OLD GEM maps. And we are all going to run there and farm for all the old items that will drop now at 55. Our choices in equipment is about to skyrocket. And with that we are going to need MANY MANY more REFINERS for all the old style gems.

    If this happens as I suspect, Baragain is going to need twice as many years to finish refining what he has cause he's going to be using many of the refiners we get in the dailies on the everyday old map Painful to Infernal levels he's going to be enjoying. As well everyone else.

    Think on it. You really don't want any source of refiners going away... ever.
     
  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Dude you got it all wrong :D
    All gems are level dependent ... not map dependent. They depend on your and the monster's level. You won't be getting old items and gems in the old maps with new difficulties ... you would get items at appropriate level and tier (let me check what are the level requirements with a low level toon).
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    I did check ... level 50 is required
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    As for the refiners I am still using them ... I have old royal gems that need huge amount of refiners to convert.
    Not just that ... i am running at lower level maps ... and getting old gems. Last time i was playing lower level maps was 2 days ago (Lor'Tac) ... when i was trying to finish some of the old achievements ... fortunately I got few good amethysts and diamonds that need to be converted. Also ... there is no discount on new gems ... but the old gems are going on sale frequently. Even with Premium Day ... the old gems are better deal than the new ones.
    Only the heavy shoppers are having all royal Qaizah gems ... the rest of the players need refiners ... even if they are having no old gems anymore ... because the old gems are the ones you would want to buy.
    At the end ... i would mention one saying from one ancient philosopher:
    which is my motto as well :D
     
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  13. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Wow... really digging in the past for that quote, but it is a true today as it was then. ;)
     
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  14. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Count Count

    I started to calculate how long it will take to refine all my old gems. When the number started looking like my life expectancy I stopped :D Although all my equipped rubies are refined only one of those is royal. So additionally more will be need to buy old rubies on sale and refine those.

    But hey, for those that say they have no use for them; if nothing else they can be sold for an extra 17,5 gold per day :cool:

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
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  15. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    i cannot understand one thing... i'm a F2P and i'm only 1 royal ruby left to refine... Ok...so far i only refined the onyxes... but i'm not so far to refine the leftovers as you say... all i do are dailys and recently started with daily rewars with refiners (i was dealing with matery frags runes)
     
  16. ShamisSabri

    ShamisSabri Forum-Apprentice


    yup, its decent gold
     
  17. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    Not even half of what was the old daily reward and with gold you can't buy essence, but doesn't matter, dinosaurs will extinct and things will change for the better.
     
  18. sargon234

    sargon234 Count Count

    Is it too difficult to give some choices in regards to rewards from dailies?Not anyone needs refiners, why can't there be a mechanism similar to wisdom? as long as you have an unrefined gem, you get refiners from the daily quest, when you don't need them, you get another reward
     
  19. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Exceptional Talent

    On the second part of this, it would be as I described. Old items at appropriate level. (I'm so looking forward to trying the Automated Set all at level 55). As for the first part, this below could prove my point:
    So, the question is this: Have you gone into Lor'Tac on Painful+ and did you get old gems, or gems of Quazzy?

    My bet is that you get old gems which need refiners.
    If the gem drop is truly level dependent and not map dependent, then a level 50-55 character should see only gems of quazzy drop from EVERY map in the game.
     
  20. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    It is fine if that can be done ... but i doubt because additional option makes additional costs ... if you catch my drift :D
    What would you like? essences? Go to jester bet 5-10 gold ... and there you go ... you have more essences than you would get from dailies.
    I doubt that set is in the loot list ... there are new items ... check the Test Server section in the forum.
    At live server or TS? At live servers there is no difficulty selection ... at TS it is working as i described above.
    The drop is actually Monster level dependent ... only when you play solo ... because the monsters are scaling to your level.
    But when you play in group it is dependent on your level . If you are level 48 and playing with level 52 player in your group ... the mobs would be level 52 but you would get items at your level ... meaning old gems.
    HOWEVER ... that is the case only on maps where the monsters are scaling at your level (PW maps, events ... etc)... in the other maps (below level 50) the monsters are not scaling so you get drops at their level. Those maps are made that way because if they were scalable the players would have a hard time to level up.
    No ... you get gems according to your level ...since the level requirement is 50 for excruciating and fatal ... you get new gems only.
     
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