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Suggestion Dragan set rework

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by ΣMiwel, Apr 7, 2019.

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  1. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Baron

    Since 1h weapons already have less base damage and lower %IDotI enchantments, I think there is no need for the dragan set to give only %WD to 2h in the items' unique values.

    My suggestion is to change those 6% lines into just weapon damage, and not damage from 2h weapons.
     
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  2. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    In fact, it was buged (maybe it is yet) and the bonus counted with 1h weapon too.
     
  3. IKILLGIANTS

    IKILLGIANTS Active Author

    no! i made a test and with 1h i can reach almost 40k dmg,this would make 1h too op,dragan set is good as it is!!
     
  4. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Baron

    Nothing was nor is bugged. The bonus for 3 set elements (22%) is damage from all kinds of weapons. It is meant that way and it is done that way.

    Show that build. I'm curious how you're doing it...

    Anyways...
    How come? What does 1h have stronger than 1h? 2h can max out crit and crit damage. Ok, 1h can have slightly more def. But that's only slightly more.

    2h can have:
    • Over 60k damage
    • Useful bonuses from uniques
    • Max crit rate and crit damage
    • Max speed
    • All the dragan set bonuses work for them
    • Enough hp and def to survive long enough to kill everything they need
    1h can have:
    • At most 40k damage
    • Useless bonuses from uniques
    • Max crit rate and crit damage
    • Max speed
    • Only a part of the dragan set works for them
    • Slightly more hp and def than 2h
    So, 1h has everything like 2h, just less damage.

    Fix the dragan set or make new uniques that would compensate for it!!!
     
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  5. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Commissioner

    I seriously don't know how to do it, but I think 1H and 2H should be both useful, but each in its own way. Somehow.

    The first thing that comes to my mind is that

    2H builds should be
    + hard hitting
    - slow
    +/- maybe capable of max crit.dmg, but at a low rate
    1H builds should be (with an offensive offhand)
    - weak
    + fast
    +/- maybe capable of max crit.rate, but never top crit.dmg
    Also maybe a smaller and higher difference between min. and max. damage.

    Basically, their DPI could even be the same, but the build strategy would be different. Each one would need different items and different enchantments.
    Ideally it'd be cool if there wasn't just one 1H and one 2H perfect build.

    Edit:
    Something like this.
    Yeah, the result is the same, so in practice you'd kill everything just as quickly. But you'd have to use different gems and runes and items in order to achieve the same DPI...

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2019
  6. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I'm not talking of the 22% bonus.
    I played 1h long time and each damage unique line of item was buged and functional for me.
    This bonuses for 2h are like this because Dragan set is a 2H set, Dragan's weapon is 2h, that's why things are how they are.

    Maybe I understood it wrong but my logic says the contrary:
    Bigger weapon, more weight (2h), so slower attacks, slower movement (in theory).
    And 1h weapons would allow the player to be more agile therefore have better mobility, faster attacks.

    The main problem on you is that you want equality with 2h, not just a simple improvement. This can't be.
    That's how it is meant to be. You proved that is no problem in 1h weapons, you can't pretend to be equal in damage, it's ridiculous.
    1h is viable, you just can't pretend it to be as viable as 2h, obviously.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2019
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  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Show me a screenshot of your "famous" 1H build :)
    Unique enchantments have never worked with 1H weapons ... they were working only with Longbow. Because that is how the ranger was designed to be ... all classes had 2H since the start ... but not rangers.
    This game used to have very informative and useful home page where many things were explained and there were a lot of stories and artworks. But why having a beautiful and useful website when we can have this BS homepage.
    Shortbow + shield was the ultimate defensive combination while longbow + quiver was the ultimate offensive combination.
    Rangers could make combos in between.
    BS ... read above^
    You and ISHILLGIANTS pretend to be experienced players ... but get real you are not :D
    Ignore the shill he didn't know how to craft T8 items :)

    Reworking Dragan Set is not a solution ... the solution is to make sets that support only 1H weapons.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2019
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  8. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    Like trakilaki said, Just add another set but something that actually helps 1h users.
     
  9. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Longbow is a type of 1hand weapon...
    I don't need to pretend nothing, but just use the logic to say it is not logical to have the same damage using 1h than 2h.
    You are the ones pretending to create a club (pressure group) of very few players to try your ridiculous objective.
     
  10. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Longbow is just one of the current 1H weapons ... the bonus was not working with any other 1H weapon for any class.
    You see? Again pretending.
    You don't use logic ... either you know the old game or you don't.
    If you use logic shortbow is a 2H weapon as well.
    That is why I told you, you don't understand the 1H build .. it is not about "1 more cut" like you said ... it is about totally different build and totally different experience. Completely different crafting and completely different build.
     
  11. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    1 more cut? That's not my words on 1h, but on sapphires xD
    You mean it's OK if the damage of the unique lines of dragan are buged only for longbows? You admit it, it was or it is buged on longbows.
     
  12. nikatar

    nikatar Junior Expert

    I think it is better to be seperate sets for 1h and 2h! A better idea,in my opinion ofc, is for the bigpoint to create a new set or even a new event with a set for 1h bows.
     
  13. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Exactly. RoyalBlues.
    2H can't use them ... or at least not 5 of them, since they need onyxes.
    1H don't need onyx but with RoyalBlues in game there would be another way to play AKA diversity.
    That is the part you are not getting it well ... it is not about boosting the speed, the speed would be the same. It is about making things differently and boosting the other stats.
    One simple example ... you would use attack speed gloves with 2H. I would not use attack speed in gloves with RoyalBlues.
    ATM I have nothing to use in my adornment ... I am using 5 royal rubies just because I have them not because my build needs them. Ruby in my adornment are as much useful as onyx.
    Dude ... do you read the forum? Search the old threads ;)
    I just pointed out it was only working with longbow not with 1H weapons.
     
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  14. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Take for sure 2h don't need 5 onyxes, even less now that you can upgrade them to blue onyxes :) So 2h players would use sapphires anyways. I have a friend (1h player) not using attack speed on gloves, there's no need of sapphires to do that kind of changes in a build.
     
  15. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is your problem. You hear what other people tell you and you present it on forum like it is your experience ... but you don't understand what you are talking about :D
    You don't even understand what am I talking about ...
    Your friend doesn't use attack speed in gloves ... what do you think ... am I using attack speed in gloves?
    If I was into attack speed I would use something much better than RoyalBlues.
    [​IMG]


    [EDIT]
     
    Last edited by moderator: Apr 8, 2019
  16. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum General

    i'm sure that the guy who claimed it is possible to achieve 40k dmg with 1h will be presenting a build with those kind of stats
    So far we have seen nothing, but who knows

    I think a new, powerful event set for 1h should be introduced
    We already have the candidate for that
    it's the Sargon's defensive set, Cuirass, shoulders and helm, it looks good and it's still not used
    They can bring back Sargon's event and make it a recurring event like Dragan, alternating between them

    Also they should rework sets like atlantis set,ecc.
     
  17. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Commissioner

    I think some utterly useless items and sets look so good it's a shame they always end up sold or melted. Like the Antique Atlantis items.


    Anyway, I support the idea of leaving Dragan's set with the 2H bonus and making another set for 1H builds.
    I think I understand ΣMiwel's idea, though, as not an ideal solution, but easy enough for the DSO devs to implement quickly to boost 1H users.

    But what I would really like to have, are multiple viable sets for both 1H and 2H builds. Even most of the PW items (END GAME STUFF) have the reputation of USELESS.
     
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  18. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Baron

    Exactly. We have been suggesting return of sets like Mortis' set, Sargon's set, etc. for a long time now. If they can't make multiple good unique sets, let them change this one at least as a temporary solution, if they implement new good sets they can change this one back.

    Or they can get to work and finally make all those sets in one of the next updates.
     
  19. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    Closest I can get with current equipment calculated is 34/35k max for 1h
    Now even if the new sargon set had amazing bonuses 40k is still tiny compared to 65k attainable on 2h no essences
    And at the end of the day essence efficiency is top priority well that and anderment efficiency too
     
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  20. DBS-Flamelurker

    DBS-Flamelurker Forum Inhabitant

    40k 1H? Ranger with Gwenfara Bow.
     
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