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Suggestion Dragan set rework

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by ΣMiwel, Apr 7, 2019.

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  1. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    I am still using it on an alt DK. :D I'll have to ditch it if I ever get that toon to lvl 55 :p And, you are right. It looks hella cool :cool:
     
  2. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    and that's why they removed any possibility of obtaining it, because they want to destroy everything cool about the game
    I'm also still pissed about the time when they forgot to make the cuirass drop from a chest that appeared after you killed sargon in a dragan event, the last dragan event before they upped the level cap to 50
    also it shows skin on female characters, so that's good

    They should definitely bring it back along with desert of essences set
     
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  3. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    In fact, those sets or items of PW are not useless, simply are not the BEST so those items are not used in a final build.
    This doesn't mean that those items are not fulfilling a function or not being useful for many players.
     
  4. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    if they are useless for building an endgame build, they are useless
     
  5. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Forum Commissioner

    So you are saying that you only start the game with endgame equipment???

    Talk about the biggest definition of the King of Twinks!
     
  6. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Then it's ridiculous to suggest creating more useless sets, isn't it?
    Not being the best doesn't mean being useless, then by your thoughts this suggest is useless too, because it wouldn't be the best possible build in the game.
    I'm sure I can do a build with Yachak set and do Infernal 4 comfortably, I simply prefer other better options, the question: is Yachak set useless? The answer: No.
    And so on with more sets that you name as "useless".
    You are just looking for a utopia. "No matter the item you equip you must have same stats in the name of diversity!" Just no.
     
  7. Akageshi

    Akageshi Board Analyst

    For an end gamer most of the PW stuff is useless.
    And for a non end gamer they are not useless in theory, but in practice they are, because no one wants to spend their materi frags on something that is not top.

    The Dragan set rework suggestion might boost at least the few 1H items that are in the PW, like Arachna's set.
    I'd like to see a complete rework of uniques, but that's an unrealistic expectation, so at least something small like this ^ could make it to the game... For the time being until someone competent in BP pulls off the real thing.
     
  8. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    in the end if they can't be used in a competitive end game build, you won't see them, as such they are useless

    At least all PW sets should have some sort of usefulness, the PWs are supposed to be the end game
    the suggestion is to create more useful set ie sets that can be used to create a competitive end game build
    You probably can and still it would be completely outclassed by other builds, which all require using q7 set and dragan set aka yachak set is completely useless

    Only someone who doesn't understand what he's reading thinks this is what people want, what people want is the opposite
    How did you even come to that conclusion?
     
  9. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    There's not only 1 competitive/endgame ring, 1 competitive/endgame amulet, 1 competitive endgame weapon, 1 competitive/endgame whatyouwanttosayhere.
    There's not a single way to build a char. I can be competitive with cube set or without it, I can use q2 amulet or q9, I can use q4 or q7, I can use mortis ring or don't, I can use Yachak if I want to, I can use offensive shoulders or not, it is not going to screw my char, q5 shoulders are not useless...
    In short, you are obsessed with wanting to "change" a situation that is fine as it is and also focus your ideas on improving 1h, that is the truly useless of the whole thing.
     
  10. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    Yeah thats ranger not dk


    --- MERGED ---


    Want to know how?
    Unfortunately this is possible for rangers only at the moment but let me show you:
    [​IMG]
    Gwenfara ghost bow
    If this was crafted with only 240% idoti, and all plat in torso helm belt
    [​IMG]

    Now adding 200% in vigor runes in helmet and amulet.

    [​IMG]

    This is what is possible for rangers only, with 1h.
    So there, I have shown you a build with 40k dmg on 1h.
    I would have to ask an admin to merge please. <- apologies I did not see I was the last one to post xD.

    Now regarding my previous calculations.
    I used 50% weapon damage from wisdom, however since I havent done this in a while I forgot that the weapon damage from wisdom is 60%
    So here goes a 1h build with 40k damage even wihout 10x 40% vigor runes
    [​IMG]
    Now let us really push this 1h build
    Next will be using cube amulet and 10x 40% vigor runes
    now I also changed the idoti on 1h weapon to 246%
    And low and behold 40k damage is nothing :D
    [​IMG]

    now using cube mace stats for dk but using vigor runes etc this is possible:
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    that's literally how it is, there's only one competitive amulet or ring

    Only by using a weapon with more damage than other weapons and only with one class
    It's also farcical that you have to use gwenfara bow to achieve such damage and you can't do that with any longbow

    Also, this is only available for one class, the others get nothing
     
  12. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    ah but you saw the possible 38399 damage on 1h for a dk?
    This would mean that 39k straight is possible for a spellweaver with 1h.
    And of all classes, spelweaver has the most amazing setup for this level of damage.
    Let me show you however
    [​IMG]
    and this:
    [​IMG]
    Now I am very well aware that these items require a lot of work and draken.
    But imagine this with Q1 torso, cost reduction runes in gloves 3 dragan pieces, 2x tear holder heroes cloak and magotina adornment, witch seeker pouldrons and heck belt of zeal too.
    That would be 39k damage and just insane meteors the whole map through.
    You're talking to a guy that loves alt builds, so much I could show you...
    This also brings me back to wanting 1h versions and 2h versions of all q weapons in pw.
    Also lets not forget the shar karab off hand (someday when it works)
    Aaand someday when the q9 set works correctly...
    iow crits from the spheres and the explosions @300% base x crit :D
     
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  13. heror

    heror Forum Baron


    As fun as it sounds on paper, on reality it would be garbage.Let me explain:
    Even on lv 50 i tought of this , but .
    1) The nerfed meteorite burn per second.
    2) u need to atack with fireball to low meteorite cd which will slow you and has laughable dmg might aswell go take a bath while the mobs die .
    3) frozen sphere does the damage instant and is spammable.

    In order for this build to work u need:
    1) Meteor base dmg buffed to 500%
    or
    2) incr the burning to 100% from 66% ( aka revert the nerf)

    Now im expecting maxdissapointed to come here and spam , mages broken , magens bugged.

    Also if u go for cost reduction, i suggest using khalys pauldrons.
    Karabossa s cloak is way better due to crit dmg bonus being far superior that inc dmg.
    and even when we compare the numbers its 10%crit dmg vs 9% inc dmg, even on the numbers u loose dmg.

    plus we can max our dmg with dragan by using ring gloves and boots. Thus u can use karabossa ( if u dont use q1) or if u use q1 remove khalys pauldrons, but runes of relentnessness are required in gloves. Altough u can go 4/4 karabosa and get the juicy 33% mana


    @Phyrix dont get your hopes for sharr's weapon, It was mega nerfed so that it cant be used to cheese bosses. So 2 and a half years since it was gutted to uselessness
    @sargon234
    what do u mean one competitive ring ?
    We have:

    1)Dragan
    2) Mortis
    3) Tear holder
    4) Bloodtooth.

    Quite more than 1 if u ask me

    @ΣMiwel or they can just make karabossa exclusive to 1h , like it was before ( atleast ppl used it mainly with 1 h on lv 45 except for dks), i dont care what everybody is gonna cry that their q7 combo is destroyed. Karabossa is not needed . I play without karabossa and from what i see , it almost useless.
     
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2019
  14. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    unless you have 400% cd.
    But yes even 5% more cd is better than 9% damage and not a bit but a huge amount more.
    On my dk on Agathon I have 395% with heroes cloak and 400% with kera cloak, and I do much better with kera cloak than heroes cloak and the crits is 2-3k bigger than with heroes cloak. <- on main attacks alone. (iow smash is atleast 12k bigger)
    All that in spite of 1k less damage.
     
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  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    neither tear holder nor bloodtooth are viable, yes they have interesting unique bonuses, but you have to upgrade them with draken cores

    In the end you need cube set ring, because even with mortis ring becomes worthless when you achieve high enough speed
    You also don't need tear holder when you have enough crit and it still has the problems of having to upgrade it and coming with random values
     
  16. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Gwenfara's Bow even if it has higher base damage is not very much playable as longbow is ... it is still a shortbow. It has only one purpose ... show off :"Here take a look at my stats".
    Now ... I could get to 40K base damage and 150K HP (probably or even more) with a longbow IF I had platinum enchantments, crafted platinum items, Upgraded Royal Gems ... BUT I don't have them I only have Magic Royal Rubies and ONE Magic Cyanite XD ... and that is it ... the rest of my gems are still not upgraded because the drop of the ingredients has been nerfed badly and I don't have a single platinum crafted item. ATM my base damage is below 34K and HP around 110K.
    As for the SWs ... a friend of mine is already at 40K (if not higher) ... but If I had his items and if I was about to make a build ... I would have gone way beyond.
    As for those 2 uniques and the meteor ... dude ... CD reduction is easy now and you don't need those useless T0 items. :)
     
  17. Phyrix

    Phyrix Forum Duke

    explain something to me, a longbow unique, you can use a off hand with it too?
    Show an example of a longbow with an off hand item and the possible stats on it then please...
     
  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Yes.
    But you already have example of a longbow in your previous post XD
    Here
    Same base speed , same base damage , same enchantments ... you only need to add "20% reduced concentration costs" in the base stats and you have a longbow :)
     

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