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Dwarf nef PVP

Discussion in 'PvP (Player vs. Player)' started by AnjoCaido, Apr 9, 2019.

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  1. AnjoCaido

    AnjoCaido Forum-Greenhorn

    it's impossible for a wizard to beat the nerf 1v1 DWARF, very high damage, 4second jump, infinite oil
     
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  2. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    Lol if you complain as a mage, think about the DKs. They don't even have hope defeating a Dwarf. The Dwarf just go inside a tesla and laugh. That is it.
     
  3. Zakier

    Zakier Forum-Apprentice

    EDIT , mages are the strongest class in pvp now. A dk can kill a dwarf, but is a 1v1 of who stay with more hp until the exaust start.

    Just use your stun + singu, you will kill easily the dwarf, 1-2 ice sphere you destroy his turrets, so you have 4 secs to stun him and put the singu on him.
     
    Last edited by moderator: Apr 9, 2019
  4. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    Wow a mage complaining about dwarves in pvp, that's a first ;)
     
  5. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Commissioner

    This... is not even a class rant. A rant requires more than one sentence.

    Advice to the OP:
    1. Use 1h weapon and an orb (f you aren't already).
    2. Now
      • If your enemy is 2h, he should be quite easy regardless of the class.
      • If your enemy is 1h, dwarf has lower range on 1h (but not his turrets). The only thing you have to do is stay out of reach of his turrets (or destroy them if you can to make him run out of steam) and use the range against him.
    3. Oil is not infinite... if it is, you can record such a battle and try to report him to support. He is probably abusing some bugs.
    4. Jumps... well, you'll have to live with it.
    5. Damage... can't be too high. Either you're doing something wrong or he is abusing bugs.
    You can us FotD on the side of Tesla to chase him out though. BWS will reach him in tesla as well.
     
  6. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Junior Expert

    1 xd 2h don't exist now on arena
    2
    • 2h ppl are walking pots
    • dwarf is faster than mag = mag can't escape from dwarf, than mech spam oil to mag = mag can die or use jump, if he use jump = mech use next oil = mag can't escape
    • if mech good use oil than he do more dmg from fast shoot than mag from fireball where mags skill cost 35mana, mechs fast shoot regenerate mana = if u will be alive to use next jump = u get another oil = back to the start
    • the only way to win mag vs mech is rushing to him, if u do it before he spam oil to u = u win, but if he don't die in rush = u will be dead
    3 nah oil do perma slow on it and 2sec slow after u out of it = if u out of it u get another one on head = if u don't use release u don't go out of it = mech can do milions thinks with u, when u can't move on ;d
    4 jump with 5sec will be fine but no 3,5 sec with catalyst and -0,5sec with any hit from turrets....
    5 mech with oil buff do more dmg from basic shoot than mag from fireball for 35mana...mag do 3 fireball = 0mana, mech can shoot how much he want...
    this can be fine if oil will not buff basic shoot but special shoot...


    mech don't need any hardcore nerf ;d
    1
    mech has 12 realase per 1min
    mag has 10
    ranger 9
    tank 3
    so if u nerf mechs jump from 5sec to 7sec they will have stiil 8+(8+4/7) realease per 1min and for me it will be fine

    2
    change buff oil from basic shoot to another one in order to mech can't spam endless skill with buff(special?)
     
  7. lovatic66

    lovatic66 Junior Expert

    Seriously, the dwarf the most useless in pvp and wants to nerf, with his 1h weapon with its limited range, makes it such an easy target for magicians and hunters.
     
  8. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    Looks like You know nothing about DKs or Dwarves. Dwarves can heal more than a DK can damage with BWS and it is a sorry effort to try to corner him with FotD. If it is a Dwarf with half a brain, he knows how to avoid it.
     
  9. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Commissioner

    I'm using ice missles against dwarfs and I'm keeping range, and I'm as fine as it could be in this trash "gearless" pvp.

    Even if you have 70% crit rate with that infamous shield? You can do enough damage to stop all of his healing...

    Once again, if he is:
    • healing too much (10s cooldown = at least 5s interval between buffs)
    • running too fast (everyone has the same speed now)
    • dealing too much damage
    • getting too many blocked hits on 2h (happens to me at least once each day I have clover)
    • dealing too many/almost only unblocked hits (eg. I have 80% block rate in pvp)
    ...it does not mean that his class is op, it doesn't mean that you are too weak, it doesn't mean you are a noob (like he might tell you after the fight without even being asked), it means solely that he's abusing bugs! You can even have full gold t8 lvl60, you will still be dying against random people just because they have bugs.
     
  10. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Junior Expert

    dwarf can shoot oil on full range as ur ice missle
    so if u get 1 oil u are slowed = mech can go closer to u
    ice missle is good but u slower opponent for 0,5sec
    mech oil has perma slow on it, and 2sec after u go out of it
    so u can win agains dwarf only when u rush him bc u don't have any argument vs oil mech bc u have only jump 1 per 10sec to fast go out of oil(mage)
    all other classes have many skills to go out of oil but no mage so simply if u don't rush mech and kill him before he spam oil to u = u are dead
    on group fight this isn't so simply but on 1vs1 it's only way to win mage vs mech
     
  11. Dемои

    Dемои Someday Author

    Dwarf have too much bugs. Some dwarfs can stand 2 turrets 2-3x oil and if you destroy turret they can use steam conductor 3x soo is more than 100 steam
     
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  12. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    Yes, they definitely do. Yesterday, I was in a battle with a Dwarf, I got him to red, may be 20% life left, he started running and within 10-15 seconds he is back to full life. I have no idea how that was possible.

    Or may be it is possible. In that case Dwarf healing seems way OP than DK healing where DKs need rage to heal.
     
  13. Purgerzg

    Purgerzg Active Author

    Steam conductor has 10 sec cooldown,so normal play it is impossible to heal full HP in 10-15 sec, but maybe it has something with taking off equip,will try to test these days if it works.

    P.S. I could not reproduce that bug,always cooldown 10 sec,always 2%HP + 1%HP heal
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2019
  14. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    The opponent might be switching to a hammer/wrench which does have a steam recovery boost as well.

    I will try the gear removal strategy as well to see if it is bugged.
     
  15. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    I was excited with the upcoming release R218, however when i got into pvp with my guild i see that dwarfs are still crazy overpowered i mean come on, they can slow us down, do more dmg in the oil, they can heal, they can gain more movement speed, they can anti stun every 4 seconds, they can double armor break us, they can armor break us constantly, they can spawn turrets... Please explain to me why they have the complete package of skills/buffs they need and the other classes are practically stuck in the mud when it comes to vs a dwarf? (especially a dk)
     
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  16. Purgerzg

    Purgerzg Active Author

    I have almost all yellow lines in pvp setup,and I am easily smashed by any class.Reading your post I should be immortal in pvp?! Heal every 10sec,movement inc every 10 sec(last 1 sec),oil cost steam and steam regen is taking forever....every class have pros and cons.I wait the day when everybody will have chance to be any class in pvp
     
  17. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    You clearly cannot play the dwarf very well then, sorry.
    The dwarf class has the biggest advantages in pvp, you can see that all the way from level 1-55 and you dont need more than 3 brain cells to see that.
     
  18. Purgerzg

    Purgerzg Active Author

    I play only dwarf class, and I don't know how to play dwarf class? And about advantages i dwarf here come some:Can' take flag while heal,can't take flag in robot mode,limited range in 1h (DK have bigger range),turret destroyed in 1-2 hit,1 stunt/armor break skill(tesla or shrapnel also stunt,but easily avoided;bombs break armor but they deal fire dmg so do not see point),1 debuff skill,lowest mana regen....OP class
     
  19. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    Under level 49 the dwarfs are completely inbalanced, lvl 55 dwarfs and mages are still on top if you ask me. wars need heal regen because they are the only non ranged char, the rest should have damage.
     
  20. Dемои

    Dемои Someday Author

    Turret destroyed in 2 hits? Maybe with frozen sphere. You have block on turrets, other classes don't have block on guardians. You have tesla with 0.5sec tick = +/-2 stuns, oil is like stun and work too long (2sec less movement speed if you leave oil) and jump every 3 seconds bcose you have turrets. You can heal and you can don't give free heal to other classes beacouse you run away from turrets and you have steam for it without destroyed turret. You have speed buff on quick shot, and on oil they can do more dmg than mage frozen sphere.
     

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