Suggestion Knowlegde Drop System

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  1. efehan341989

    efehan341989 Forum Greenhorn

    Hi, as all you guys know, the hardest part of building up a new character is getting knowledge tree to the highest level. My friend created a new char solely his server is dying and he didn't want to invest that dying server anymore. So he opened a new char in heredur server. I am helping him as much as i can but knowledge tree seems impossible with that drop (unless you buy with andermants). I understand that old players get their knowledge tree max playing day by day and play in a very long time to achive it. But in terms of knowledge drop, current system is a bit unfair. I mean when you farm in a normal mode you get x1, in painful x1 again, even in infernal modes you get x1 and so forth. My suggestion is that you get more knowledge book drop in higher difficulties OR you get x1, x2, x5, and x10 drops depend on luck(similar to Realm Fragment drop).

    My second suggestion is that you get more knowledge book from daily quests. When your knowledge level 15 or higher, 250 knowledge is nothing. You may add some special daily quest prize at the end like 1k or 2k knowledge books(9th prize, the one you get Gilded Clover). Or simply make the 250 prize to 500 or higher.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Jhinstalock

    Jhinstalock Active Author

    I totally agree. I came back to this game recently, with my best character in the low 20s of knowledge. Even using the flip-flop system between 2 characters to keep their mentor bonus on both, the wisdom from monster drops is practically negligible. The quests give me 500 per day easily, or 700-1000 if I do 6+ quests on each. Usually the 6th quest completion only offers 100 more, and I wish it would always give us the 250 I see on rare occasions. For monster drops, I think that they should drop 1-5 (they're doubled by mentor bonus), and boss monsters + higher difficulties should tend to drop more.

    Thoughts?
     
  3. Moot

    Moot Active Author

    If we older players went through all the pain of leveling knowledge to 55, why would new players deserve shortcuts? Bad idea. Also if you think getting knowledge levels is the hardest part of the game, you clearly have never went through crafting endgame gear.
     
  4. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Without buying wisdom, it takes about 5 months to max out. The new community manager said in his last live talk that they will create wisdom events or something similar but who knows if that will happen or not.

    As an old player that suffered through the long time it takes, I agree with you that it should be easier. It takes a couple of weeks to reach max level and should not take months to reach max wisdom.

    Why they should change it is simple. This game needs more new players. They have already changed many things to make it easier for new players, giving them the ability to gain wisdom is not in any way game breaking. Taking away some frustration for newer players is a good way to keep them interested and might actually get them to play more.
     
  5. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Because it was a pain and old players know that

    At least old players who can empathize with others, the rest i don't know
    i know for once it shouldn't be so boring
    You see, unlike that Moot character above, you actually have empathy

    And you also want to keep players hooked into the game, since players are abandoning it
     
  6. bassevents94

    bassevents94 Someday Author

    make 2 chars on 1 account and give your wisdom mentor bonus far it.

    that make maybe a good difference in quit farming wisdom
     
  7. Moot

    Moot Active Author

    Yeaaa soooo sorry for not feeling any empathy after getting screwed 2 or 3 times so far when bp decided to rework the knowledge tree and basically nullified every progress I had before just to make it easier on newbs... This behavior is the cause of losing old customers day by day. (+ the countless bugs they don't do anything about while pushing meaningless updates purely to add more cashgrab to the game)
     
  8. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    By the same analogy everyone should get to cap level in honor point tree as well ... right?
    Wrong.
    Players are not leaving the game because of the wisdom drops ... and how on Earth would you keep someone into the game if he is not willing to work on wisdom tree for few months?
    It looks like your friend don't want to invest in dead server ... but he don't want to invest in Heredur either.
    Leaving a server for another server is not helping at all.

    Getting knowledge books has been improved several times ... I don't see any reason why should the drops be higher.
    Back then we had no mentor bonus, we had no daily deals, we had no premium and players couldn't buy those books. That was the only part of the game in which P2P and F2P were equal.
    People want to do everything in day one ... well it will not going to happen.
     
  9. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Well, i see no problem in getting 2x 5x and 10x drops
    ALso, beofre they introduced qaizah, i recall seeing 3x and 2x wisdom drops back when i was leveling wisdom from 30 to 50 and they dropped quite frequently in fatal
     
  10. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    You're comparing apples to oranges.

    There is no logical reason why you can reach max level (55) in three weeks and it should take 5 months or more to reach max wisdom (even with the leap frogging of two characters). It simply creates a frustration that is not needed.

    You don't believe that this is part of the frustration that causes players to quit?

    According to the last you tube video that they community manager gave, there will be a reworking of the wisdom and he specifically mentioned making it easier to get. If and when or how they implement it remains to be seen.

    If this wasn't some sort of problem, then DSO would not be looking to make it easier.

    We all know that they don't do things just to help out players for the sake of it.

    The simple solution (and yes I've made this statement multiple times over the years) would be to tie wisdom to your point level. That way you would not rush to get to 55 (as everyone including you suggests) and be too weak to do anything.
     
  11. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master


    Aka buy wisdom for cheaper prices events xD..Doubt they will make it ok for all..the new skill tree is the newest milking cow for them.We will need over 1k skills to max all..Most likely more than half of them will have to be bought with ander due to a low droprate.The droprate for knowledge will have to be reworked and made different for every difficulty lvl.Having to farm few millions knowledge 1 by 1 just to add 1 more skill will make a lot of players search for different games that wont require this lvl of commitment.
     
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  12. Paavelsons

    Paavelsons Regular

    hi. i leveled wisdom tree to 55 with 8 months. without any buying wisdom points. and without that mentor bonus.

    and ofc i reached endgame wich is boring to farm gold ranks to get gold then gamble it at kasino. boring. i thinked game is getting fun at end but i was really dissapointed.
     
  13. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Yes I am ... but only because you are comparing apples to oranges and bananas. All three trees are not connected to each other ... they are different independent systems.
    Who said you have to be level 55 in wisdom when you are level 55 in experience?
    There are players level 55 in wisdom but still level 20-30 in experience.
    There are level 55 players in experience level 50 in wisdom and level 20 in honor.
    All trees are independent.
    No it is not. If you are not willing to fulfill such a relatively easy task ... then what will happen when you start crafting?
    I was doing it without mentor and possibility to buy the books ... on top of my locker and my mount riding abilities were dependent on those books ... have I left?
    Really? Wow.
    You believe that?
    They will most probably increase the wisdom requirements exponentially so everyone would start collecting/buying books again ... and they will probably make them drop at same rate but making them premium related for better drops. They can even limit them like the refiners "buy X books a day" ... so the price would get higher.
    Because you have probably had a mentor bonus (200%) ... on top of it you had to click on each one of them so you could see what are you collecting, they were not auto collectible like they are now. ATM you can't get any because you are cap level in wisdom ... but if you play another toon you will still get x2 drops (100%)
     
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  14. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I also completed the wisdom tree the hard way, more than once. I've also done it using the leap frog method, more than once.

    Just because you say that it is not frustrating doesn't automatically make it true.

    Yes, there are already plenty of other frustrating aspects to the game (too many threads about that now), but making wisdom quicker to get is in no way game breaking.

    So why not suggest eliminating at least some of the smaller frustrating parts?

    For all your "expertise" about DSO, I rarely see you start threads on how to lessen the frustration that causes players to leave the game.

    I would think that with the vast amount of time and effort that you have put into this game, you might want to see more players join and stay in the game, or maybe you just don't care that already small servers are dying a little bit more every day because you don't have to see it.
     
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  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    No, it was on my main character, never had the mentor bonus there, my secondary characters are far behind my main
    I recall always seeing 1x wisdom since level 55
     
  16. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    While I agree that getting wisdom maxed can be a pain in the tuchus I disagree with this opening sentence of the thread.

    The important part of the current wisdom tree is getting wisdom up to level 25 which is not all that difficult. Why 25? Because that is where the resource talent unlocks which is the only thing on the tree that is truly essential.)

    Sure to get a top endgame build you need everything including max wisdom. But getting a single fully crafted and upgraded unique (both level and tier) involves a lot more time and effort than getting 55 wisdom imho.

    I really have a hard time believing anyone ever rage quit over wisdom drops... just sayin :cool:

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
  17. Jhinstalock

    Jhinstalock Active Author

    165000 wisdom to reach level 55, and you accomplised that in 240 days or so. Thats nearly 700 each day, the usual amount when you DO have the mentor bonus. Are you sure it worked that way for you?

    It still says "1x Ancient Wisdom" when you have mentor bonus, but when you pick it up, it adds 2 to your progress. I'm nearly 100% certain that part of it was never changed.
     
  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You can close the thread ...

    Now you can gt x15, x20 ... etc wisdom

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    And here comes the best part ... confirmation of what I was talking about.
    The catch is now you will need millions of wisdom


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    Happy hunting (if you feel happy)


    PS - you can't buy wisdom anymore :D
     
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  19. Erebus

    Erebus User

    Hello heroes, as @trakilaki is saying, indeed there's a whole new Wisdom Tree in our Test Server, alongside with a tweak on the way we all will get wisdom points, so to avoid preposterous conclusions, I'll close this thread for you to focus in how the new tree works, and provide us with your much needed feedback in the Game Rebalancing Feedback thread, we're expecting your comments, best regards. ;)
     
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