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Producer Dialogue: DSO in 2015

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  1. -DeathRaider-

    -DeathRaider- Forum Pro

    A big reason why this hasn't changed is due to players needing to get stronger, but are lvling to fast. They befin to get so weak that they might just give up.Allowing players to not get experience in events helps them get stronger for monsters. but his might upset pvp , but stop whining get used to losing. this is going to happen, when you lose alot of people automatically assume cash but most the time they are just weak for their lvl. If you can't see whats wrong with people whining about losing then you are included.
     
  2. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I asked for the "definition" of pushing/gapping a while ago here and other than locking the thread no answer was ever given... so obviously they support and encourage twinking.
     
  3. nasowas

    nasowas Junior Expert

    Um, my question was for the PRODUCER, not for a player to answer as this thread is PRODUCER DIALOG. Now maybe limiting grouping is offensive to you because you have one or more of those "tag-along" toons?
    BTW, my questions weren't about winning or losing in PvP. They were about the problem with players getting free rewards without contributing ANYTHING to game. Do YOU have one of those lvl 10's with the Varholm, Witch, Red Essence and Black Knights Regalia gear sets? If you do then you like so many didn't earn them at all.
    You have a nice day now. :)

    Afterthought...so Rick, then if you're so willing to GIVE event gear and rewards away for free to low level twinks, then why do our end game toons have to work for them? Why not just let us port into events and pick up all the gear sets/rewards? The items should be right there by the entry so we don't have to walk far to get them and make sure that we don't have to kill anything before picking them up, god forbid we have to put any more effort into game than a twink builder does.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2015
  4. -DeathRaider-

    -DeathRaider- Forum Pro

    i do in fact have a lvl 10 twink and im the one that has to work for the gear most lvl 16's can't do much in events. I have to solo almost everything. i don't mind its fun. but alot of people assume that we just group up with 45's and do nothing. im done and sorry i posted this on this thread.
     
  5. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You seem to contradict yourself with the statement above ... and the next one:
    Can I ask how come you claim "players are leveling so fast" ... and in the same time you claim "I have to solo almost everything".
    So how come you are soloing everything ... and in the same time you are at level 10 for ages? Didn't you said: players are leveling so fast?
    You must tell me the secret of soloing everything without gaining XP in the game where players are leveling so fast. :D

    I completely agree with nasowas twinks must be dealt with ... once and for all.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2015
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  6. Teleportist

    Teleportist Advanced

    I'm not too bothered by this 'twinking'.

    A 'twinked' character must almost always be an Alt, and therefore done all the hard work with their first/main character.
    Otherwise how would they have higher level friends willing to help them?
    Why should they not be able to develop a second character more easily and quickly?

    I think BP have the right policy here.

    And before you ask, i only have 1 character.

    BTW
    I don't think Rick has the time to read this thread at the moment. He hasn't replied for a month.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2015
  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You are wrong.
    1. they are not alt characters but main.
    2. there are many forms of cooperation/abusing
     
  8. nasowas

    nasowas Junior Expert

    A very long time ago DSO was always on top of shutting down exploits players could use to get anything in game either for free or too easily. But then that was during the first wave of investors and that was when Heiko Hubertz ran the company. Since the past couple waves of investor changes and a new CEO they just apparently don't care about making the game fair anymore.
    No one should be able to exploit any part of the game to make it "easier" for them regardless of how many characters they create.
    Buying gems, slots and glyphs to make your twink stronger is fine in my book, but using gappers to tag-a-long with in events for all the rewards for free is abusing an exploit.
    But as I said, apparently they just don't care anymore. And stating opinions on the forums is as pointless as Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
     
  9. -DeathRaider-

    -DeathRaider- Forum Pro

    You are both right. I know many twinks and am one myself.
    1. Most of the time the twinker groups with a player only 6 or 7 lvls above in event so he/she can do the event
    2. The person that is higher lvl usually can't do much and they are the ones that get the free ride.
    3. There is exceptions, like 45 taking a lvl 15 perhaps to an Event and the 45 just kills everything and 15 follows behind.
     
  10. Mr.Tank

    Mr.Tank Forum-Greenhorn

    I hope there would be a new knowledge skill that u can separate glyphs from the item so u wont have to melt it and just use the glyphs to upgrade other items but keeping the old item, and skill that u can create own desired stats of the item but with a cost of andermant price depends on the stats cuz its quite hard to find a buckler with a good stats really hard i farm everyday in CoK i still didn't find a good blue with a 80%ibr or with 50% ibr & 30% idr or extraordinary buckler w/ 80% Ibr & 40% idr these stats are really hard to find.so I thought why not just create them but with a cost,i dont mind paying .And a new skill for rangers that has poisoning or bleeding capability like the wild swing of a dk or the fire burn of an sw.. cuz when i fight a dk $ sw i loss bcuz of the bleeding stuff. I was thinking that dk has a high hp and ranger has low hp and if a dk uses his wild swing with bleeding capabilites to a ranger then ranger will die easily cuz of his low hp. I hope ranger has that skill too,and also a knowledge skill that ables u to attack while ur on a mount .
     
  11. Blindsenses

    Blindsenses Forum-Apprentice

    I'd agree only with the glyphs removal, that would be really nice since some items are too low or not needed anymore but worth keeping rather like trophies. Creating your own stats on the items though, would spoil all the fun. I think one of the best thing this game has to offer are the chances for some items to drop and also that you cannot trade. It's nice to know that not all the players from the same class have the same exact items...otherwise it would be a pattern, all the players would go on and build the most conveniant enchantments and they wouldn't farm anymore. Regarding the bleeding stuff on rangers, well, that would make them a little too OP. A good ranger could whitstand any other class and telling from my own experience, i find myself dying most of the time by the hands of rangers... they slow with basic arrows, deal a great amount of damage with almost everything and also evades easily from combat.
     
  12. Dragonnns

    Dragonnns Board Veteran

    If the twink (along with the player over 5 levels of the twink) were to get gear at the twink's "apparent" level, that would stop the whole process and level the playing field.

    It is frustrating to be a new player who wants to do PvP only to be paired with some idiot who thinks it cool that they can smash a new player two weeks into the game when they've been playing for years. Aren't you a proud bully? Shame on DSO for letting this get to the point where new players won't PvP. I'd like to see DSO address the issue to encourage new players to be more involved in the game at all levels.
     
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  13. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Logged in to say +1 to twinks problem. It's huge. New players get frustrated by twinks and leave the game. It should be addressed in one form or another. Limiting fame level by level would be a nice start.

    There should be an option not to level up super fast, but they should get xp from everything. Also, new players decide to be twinks as well because this is the only way to survive pvp. Limiting fame will address this to some extend. there should not be lvl 40 fame warrior until SW could reach singularity talent.
     
  14. tassadar1977

    tassadar1977 Forum Expert

    i say let people be twinks if they want. just don't allow them to join with players more than 5 levels above them, only glyph items up to 5 levels above their level and only allow talents in the same way as for lvl ones i.e. you can't get lvl40 pvp talent if you are not at least lvl40. simples
     
  15. awaroa

    awaroa Advanced

    thi
    a good way to deal with twinks is to give XP in arena aswell but disagree with the 5 lvl idea because sometimes i team with my 5 year old son who is lvl 22 to help him and i can imagine there are other parent child teams
     
  16. nasowas

    nasowas Junior Expert

    Takes 2 hours tops get a new character from 1 to lvl 20. Keeping your kid alive with your high level toon isn't helping him/her. Make a new toon and play with him/her at their level so they actually learn how to play the game with all that is involved including having to use their toon skills to stay alive and be successful at quests. Gapping doesn't teach them anything, it just coddles them and makes their game easy.
    5yrs old you said? He has the proficiency to play this game at 5, his toon is lvl 22 and he needs help? Your 5 yr old kid needs healthier stimulation than DSO I think. Fresh air, real play time with other 5 yr olds. Legos, other games and toys that are designed for small children.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2015
  17. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    Legos are designed 20 years ago. If my kid is 5 years old, I will show him what games are and I will throw the legos in the garbage.
     
  18. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    As a father I respect this, even though it violates ToS:p Instead of gapping him you could build a suitable alt and level it in a couple of hours to run together and only play it when he is wanting to play.


    BOOOOO, legos teach fine motor skills as well as creative thought perfect for a 5 yr old. No wonder kids in school now go through withdrawals in class if they can't check their phones every 20 seconds.
     
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  19. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    I'm not saying legos are useless, but they are too retro for me and for my kid. Games teach motor skills even more than legos, do you know that Minecraft is been played in schools as an educational tool? Why legos aren't?

    I will teach my kid programming and I will not buy him any phone until I see he actualy thinks, becouse for me these 20 years old extroverted kids do not think at all, rather they glide the flow.
     
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  20. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Hell ya, i won't get going on the kids today stuff :D Being a High School Teacher, it's a balloon I let air out of a little at a time to keep it from exploding. Guess it's why I get curt with peeps in the forum that are rude or incessantly negative. I use Minecraft with my engineering students too. It's a great tool; they connect with the game like element of it all while learning engineering principals.
     
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