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PvP Poll

Discussion in 'General Forum' started by piteris2, May 18, 2019.

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Do you think PvP will ever be the way it was before?

Poll closed May 25, 2019.
  1. Yes

    13.6%
  2. No

    68.2%
  3. Maybe

    18.2%
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  1. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    I’m referring to pre-R214 PvP, as you probably guessed.
    Just curious if anyone thinks there’s any hope left for PvP...
     
  2. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    it'll never be as it was before
     
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  3. Dzungla

    Dzungla Active Author

    I won't select one of those checkbox until "Kind of" ain't an option.

    Hint

    Currently - answer is in the middle 100%!
     
  4. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    i doubt they're ever going to take that proposal into consideration

    Perhaps the reason they want to destroy pvp is that someone destroyed them in a pvp match and they got very angry for that
     
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  5. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    I hope not. The way it was before was still way bad. Ofc, Now it is a total joke that I generally have no interest in.

    The devs still have milestones left on their pvp roadkill... err I mean roadmap, but everything that has been implemented from 214 until now has only made things worse.
    Not likely. Remember that these guys always play with max stat/max tier/max gem/max rune gear that they can just give themselves. But come to think of it, if they fought against a real player who actually knew the game they'd probably get pwnd :p
     
  6. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    All they needed to do was remove set bonuses from PvP and fix the broken matchmaking system and (almost) everyone would have been happy...
     
  7. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    i think they got owned even though they got max level gear and they got real mad
    it's not only set bonuses, it's unique values and too high base values in pvp, their randomness
    PvP proposal on the wiki adressess this
     
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  8. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    Am i the only one who actually enjoyed the old pvp? i didnt complain because if i lost it was because the other player was better than me, or they had more glyphs and a better set than i did. I hate how a lot of the community complained because sets and some enchantments were "unfair" bear in mind they spent years building their char and months to get the perfect stats on their items, so all their work was taken away because people were to lazy to farm and couldn't handle pvp.
     
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  9. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    Yes I forgot to address those, you’re correct.
     
  10. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    it was unbalanced, not unfair
    Do you think it is actually a good idea to be able to reach maximum defences while at the same time being able to reach maximum offence, like it was pre r214?No, it isn't

    i for once want a pvp were all combos of builds were actually viable in end game pvp aka 2h, 1h+ offensive off hand and 1h+ defensive off hand, like it was when level 45 was max level, more or less
    Back then you weren't forced to use one type of build, you were free to choose
    1h + book 2h and 1h + shield were all viable both in pve and pvp, infact the game was much less boring than today
    Granted, i was no way near the top back then, i started playing in that era of the game, so i had much to do and a big margin of improvement

    Both post and pre r214 situation are a trash heap

    you want pre r214 back because it personally benefitted you, not because it was balanced, you're not an honest actor nor are you acting unbiased
    Also you abused twinking, which makes you even more dishonest
    And that proposal, as i said before, it's simple, much less complicated than whatever they have in mind for pvp now
    Why are they destroying pvp, i don't know
    I can't find a rational reason for what the management is doing( i believe the devs are poor underlings who have to take orders from a clueless management)
     
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  11. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    I agree about the developers being clueless about what they’re doing.

    I actually had no problem with a person being able to reach max offence and defence in PvP. If someone else could do it, so could I. That just gave me something to aspire to. My problem was with set bonuses, buffs, having random base stats and using tiered items in PvP. But there was nothing wrong or game-breaking with having golden enchantments on items. Or with gems and runes.
     
  12. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    The problem with that is that it trivializes every other build except 1h+ shield
    Why would you use 1h+ offensive offhand if you can get maximum crit and crit dmg even with 1h+ shield? Why would you use 2h also? That's a problem and it makes the arena boring and it forces players to you use one build

    If you want to have high defences you must give up offensive power
    Likewise, you must give up defences if you want to have high offensive power

    But the fact that people were able to reach such opness was due to broken set bonuses( like the one on the cube set) and base values
    Infact enchants don't really give any issue
    It was the base values that made this possible and this became a problem post R185
     
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  13. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    Yeah true, the builds in PvP are not separated enough, if you know what I mean. I think having random base values also really screwed this up...
     
  14. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    they started scr*wing up when they put the old new wisdom tree back when level 50 was max level

    they made the arena increasingly more stressfull but then they removed the reason to do it with the new honor tree
     
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  15. nvmind

    nvmind Regular

    Not at all. The players were farming, but the match making was placing in arena old players with 6 years of farming against new players with 1 year of farming. That was the main problem, the broken match making, the fact that the devs were not able to match players equal in strength. As it was said at some point, the match making was based also on the K/D percentage, so a grand marshal with good K/D ratio was placed in arena against a knight of the order, also with good K/D, while the difference between their gems and runes was huge.

    I hear voices saying to activate the gems and runes in pvp. If the gems are back, we will just go back to where we started from. Players full polished against players full royal in arena. Is this what the players want ?
     
  16. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    that assumes that the elo system will be as broken as it was before
    how about we fix the match making system?
     
  17. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Active Author

    All you do is assume, assume and assume, PvP never benefitted me, Level 15, 45, 50 Or 55 :'), that's not why i liked it EDIT , i liked it because PvP before R214 was way better as people who spent time farming and getting their character better had more of a chance at winning in pvp, that's how RPG games should be, Get your char stats really high and go and pvp with them if you please. Yes i abused twinking , Does it bother me that you always have to remind me? No because twinking was fun and viable for everyone :') You sound like a guy who has been bashed around in pvp so much.


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    I thought pvp was fine , i could farm for 6 months and dominate 80% of my matches, and i spent 2-3 hours a day only on the game. Top level pvp will never be balanced, who cares.. Go do some hard farming and increase your power, if you cant be bothered then do not complain.
     
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  18. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    you need to be reminded for being a twink abuser, that's a mark of shame, not only because it's disgusting to bully low level noobs who don't know anything about the game, but because of the damage you caused
    of course it was fun, knowing that you had no chance of losing

    just because pre R214 pvp was better than now, doesn't mean that it was good
    The real good pvp for today's situation is what Trakilaki proposed on the wiki
     
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  19. piteris2

    piteris2 Padavan

    It’s not fun for the low level players who end up quitting the game because of people like you.
     
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  20. nvmind

    nvmind Regular

    This is how they fixed it - gear-less pvp. This was their solution after years of complains.

    Where were you in the last 5 years ? Definitely not on this forum.

    80% of the players care, the ones that were not able to play pvp because were matched in arena against top level. It seems you never played 3v3 where one player was easily killing everyone in one hit, then laughing at them. Or maybe that was you... too bad can't do it anymore. You make me cry...
     
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