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  1. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    none

    But i'm saying that the changes to pvp are good and i'm not defending them

    But it's clear that they now want us to farm in pve to get better in pve
    Otherwise they wouldn't have made those changes, it would not make sense

    But since those changes are in its infancy, they can be stopped, perhaps
    Also i was clearly saying that what they are doing is moba done wrong and shouldn't be done, i said that your idea was the best

    Not exactly a defense of BP if you ask me
     
  2. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    No they can't be stopped ... unfortunately.

    I leave you all with your PvE ... i will be watching the population depelating day by day with a smile on my face.

    trakilaki logs out and heading to another game community ... where devs actually know what they are doing.
     
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  3. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    i was saying in the past i was skeptical of those changes, to see what they would do before making a judgement on them, i can't judge something that i have not seen and i was being nuanced and open minded

    Now we see what they are doing, it's bad, and now that you know that, you can oppose them
     
  4. Hiro73

    Hiro73 Advanced

    There is an error in the conversion of attack speed runes for 2-handed weapons.


    Old Mighty Rune of Grand Celerity in New Mighty Rune of Celerity
    Old Supreme Rune of Grand Celerity in New Mighty Rune of Celerity
     
  5. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    They mentioned this new pvp/moba thing months ago and the complaints from players started immediately.

    They have now spent X number of months developing this new moba style game.

    Do you honestly believe that they are going to toss this idea and X number of months of work just because the players don't like it?

    Take a look at Trak's poll. A little over 1300 people voted. I would expect that represents the majority of people who honestly care about this game.

    How many still play this game? Is that 1300 a large enough number to influence the dev's and make them throw away their time and effort?

    Occasionally over the years they have tweaked an idea (usually not for the better) based on player feedback, but I never saw them completely scrap an idea once they put in the time and effort.

    Obviously there will still be some people who beat their head against the wall hoping that somehow their opinion will change the direction of the game, or you could go back and read all the player feedback in any thread (events or updates) and see exactly how little they care about what the players think.

    I used to care and used to try to convince the powers that be to change their minds on the obvious stupid decisions that were forcing players to quit, but alas, I just focused my efforts into other games.

    I do like to pop in here every handful of months hoping to find that a new dev team might have been hired, but it appears that the determination to kill this game is far more important than trying to fix it.
     
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  6. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    they did backtrack on some issues in the past

    Didn't they remove the drops of andermants if you were playing on lower level maps( if the level was at least 6 levels below yours)?
    Didn't they also backtrack on the drops of cubes for free players in the past and payers' protest made them backtrack?
    Also i do not know if the backtrack on dwarf changes can count

    If they feel their wallets are being threatened they'll backtrack
     
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  7. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    The things that were reworked were actually things that didnt have huge impact.
    Yes the ander drops were removed but the max stacks back then was 14 now its 40...( and even more often).. this pretty much makes your argument useless if i have to say so. They remove things that give incentive to do somekind of farming just because its not the way they want you to farm.
     
  8. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    but there was quite a big ruckus with the andermant changes and back in the day, 40 ag drops didn't exist, the max drops were in q5 and at best you got 35 and that was in old PWs

    But it shows that making a noise might lead them to backtrack
     
  9. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    The things you listed are minor adjustments, not things that they spent many months creating only to abandon.

    This change to pvp is not an adjustment. It isn't even a simple nerf.

    There is zero chance of them wasting months of work just because some of the players don't like it.

    Go back and read the feedback of any update or event since R139 and count the number of times the dev's have listened to any players? Then count the times all the feedback was completely ignored.

    This new pvp is another poorly copied version of the one of the big popular games that has been around through 14 different major updates where you get gear for pve and another gear for pvp. Once again, the dev's at DSO had no idea why that version of pvp works in the other game, all they see is that there are still plenty of people playing it.

    But, you go ahead and beat your head against the wall hoping against the change...

    I'll drop back by the forum in a couple months and you can tell me all about how well they listened.
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
  10. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    well, it's worth a try

    I know, but if the ruckus is big, they'll going to at least change a bit of what they are doing
     
  11. ThukMohl

    ThukMohl Forum-Apprentice

    Finally you break the silence.

    Personally i have mixed reactions on your future changes. I feel excited for the most of it and sad for one thing... PVP. I'm not a hardcore PVPer and only go to 1vs1 arena for the ff reasons:
    1. Clover
    2. Help a friend doing DQ cause it took you so long to have a match.
    3. Really feel bored for grinding same maps. Not to win but have fun.
    4. Test my progress on how well I do in PVP not only in PVE. That includes, farmed/crafted gear, gems, runes etc.

    I felt sad for the 4th reason. It seems my effort will not matter in the future PVP. I'm not alone, whoever I ask ingame the unanimous answer of a gearless PVP is not good. For what they've been farming and crafting if it will have no use in PVP. Most of of them will quit if that happened. Sad on what will happen coz I'm playing in very less populated server, Tegan. Even a new player have a same answer.

    If MOBA we will choose of course the 2 very popular MOBA games for many reasons one of it is less lags. They put a server in our region. I don't think your company could do the same.

    Tough times for business calls for tough decisions. I just hope this is the right one to make you stay in the business.


    I have one question and I hope DSO answer it.
    Is it impossible or will take a lot of resources if you make the gearless PVP and MOBA type as an added PVP option to the current PVP game modes?

    It's already been suggested and I think it's much better.
     
  12. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    I leave you all with your PvE ... i will be watching the population depelating day by day with a smile on my face.

    trakilaki logs out and heading to another game community ... where devs actually know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]


    I, m s-o glad for you, if is poe, wolcen or epoch, you will enjoy any of them because they have grate dev teams. Final you will see how devs work for a grate game not to squeeze money from player. You will see a big difference of motivations.
    I will never come back in this game, when i have left this game i have left behind a guild, my guild create by me, many friends,i have left s-o many wonderful moments that i have spend with them, i have left my old DK in ruin, many players from my guild stop play with me, few of them remain in the game and ask me to rejoin them in game to rebuild that guild.
    I can't play this game anymore, i have play to much i have trust that someday they will do what we need. Now is to late and to little changes to revive a dead body, you need to break some rules
    If they want to revine the game they need to implement trade or comun stash for character in order to make this more versatile to help you start from scratch a new character to move your value from the old one.
    They need to get ride of all those zilions material for craft and potions elixirs special for events and to lose this unfinishable grind. About grind it will always be players that want more and they will grind don't put us all to farm so many hours for an event.
    They need to leave pvp as it is just nerf caracter status and regen in arena to evoit one shot.
    They need to make costumes the goal in this game in order to make that less pay to win.

    As for the new patch is obvious that changes came from people that has no clue a what drakensang is all about.
    Some good things but too few and too late and rest changes just garbage they just implement another pay to win methods that work good for them în China.
    Remember you need to break more eggs to have a nice omlet, trade, comun stash, even auction house there are many f2p game with successful trade systems. This is the last time when you will have the chance to revive the game, brake the BP laws do the best you can and maybe you will succeed. Or let him die în pace if you struggle to respect all those rules that depopulate the game day by day.

    Another problem - You can't force us to exchange the sapphires i have bought them with real money and i will sue your BP axs for them. I have bought something in a game i will want to have them and use them as they are with no limitations from the game
    I want to use that 11% speed în that particular form as long as the game live, at the moment i have bought that was intended to last all game time, if it was only for 1 or 3 years use i would not bought them.
    You do what you have always done- NERF the game.
    Now you change the gms and Runes but you know that runes and gems are the only things that can maintain the value of an account when you change the game like new level or new infernal mode.
     
  13. heror

    heror Forum Baron


    I, m s-o glad for you, if is poe, wolcen or epoch, you will enjoy any of them because they have grate dev teams. Final you will see how devs work for a grate game not to squeeze money from player. You will see a big difference of motivations.
    I will never come back in this game, when i have left this game i have left behind a guild, my guild create by me, many friends,i have left s-o many wonderful moments that i have spend with them, i have left my old DK in ruin, many players from my guild stop play with me, few of them remain in the game and ask me to rejoin them in game to rebuild that guild.
    I can't play this game anymore, i have play to much i have trust that someday they will do what we need. Now is to late and to little changes to revive a dead body, you need to break some rules
    If they want to revine the game they need to implement trade or comun stash for character in order to make this more versatile to help you start from scratch a new character to move your value from the old one.
    They need to get ride of all those zilions material for craft and potions elixirs special for events and to lose this unfinishable grind. About grind it will always be players that want more and they will grind don't put us all to farm so many hours for an event.
    They need to leave pvp as it is just nerf caracter status and regen in arena to evoit one shot.
    They need to make costumes the goal in this game in order to make that less pay to win.

    As for the new patch is obvious that changes came from people that has no clue a what drakensang is all about.
    Some good things but too few and too late and rest changes just garbage they just implement another pay to win methods that work good for them în China.
    Remember you need to break more eggs to have a nice omlet, trade, comun stash, even auction house there are many f2p game with successful trade systems. This is the last time when you will have the chance to revive the game, brake the BP laws do the best you can and maybe you will succeed. Or let him die în pace if you struggle to respect all those rules that depopulate the game day by day.

    Another problem - You can't force us to exchange the sapphires i have bought them with real money and i will sue your BP axs for them. I have bought something in a game i will want to have them and use them as they are with no limitations from the game
    I want to use that 11% speed în that particular form as long as the game live, at the moment i have bought that was intended to last all game time, if it was only for 1 or 3 years use i would not bought them.
    You do what you have always done- NERF the game.
    Now you change the gms and Runes but you know that runes and gems are the only things that can maintain the value of an account when you change the game like new level or new infernal mode.[/QUOTE]


    the only issue i have with your statement is that since lv 50 they said they the want to remove them i mean you must have known this already
     
  14. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul


    the only issue i have with your statement is that since lv 50 they said they the want to remove them i mean you must have known this already[/QUOTE]

    Is it legal? To force you convert something you paid.or to lock slots so that you can't use them anymore?
     
  15. IKILLGIANTS

    IKILLGIANTS Active Author

    Is it legal? To force you convert something you paid.[/QUOTE]
    Demon on every new change in the game you announce that you quit playing allready,why are you keep coming back with youre hafefull comments?? If you quit mind your own business stop bringing ur hate on forum
     
  16. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    Demon on every new change in the game you announce that you quit playing allready,why are you keep coming back with youre hafefull comments?? If you quit mind your own business stop bringing ur hate on forum[/QUOTE]
    Simple, because i have invested time and money in this game, i check form time to time maybe they put some good people in charge to save what is left from this game.If you dont like that you can bring some arguments, maybe i.m wrong.
    My criticism in better that silence and maybe just maybe someone form BP board will understand something.
    Do you see that i just blame with no arguments? Do you feel only hate? or sorrow?
     
  17. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    Demon on every new change in the game you announce that you quit playing allready,why are you keep coming back with youre hafefull comments?? If you quit mind your own business stop bringing ur hate on forum[/QUOTE]
    it kinda kills any of his credibility
     
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  18. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    it kinda kills any of his credibility[/QUOTE]

    Im just a man, former player remember we talk about credibility in a game developed by a company that lie all the time, so if i dont have credibility what BP have or don't have, how about all of you that support this company?..
    Let me put here some video that support my affirmations.
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44579262
    Maybe i said few times that i will quit, but i have quit so my credibility...i dont know i guess it stand.Is it?
    Is not hate, is not revenge is all about a game that i used to like, what devs has done to it and what they can do or they should do...but you right why should i care, i have waist to much time to try to bring some ideas so that we can have a beautiful game, now is your turn to do that if you can ...
    But remember is not nice to say that "If you quit mind your own business stop bringing ur hate on forum"
    I have give my tribute to the game i deserve to use this forum like any player.
    If you dont like what i say just debate and give me some arguments not a childish sentence.
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
  19. Archane

    Archane Forum-Apprentice

    It feels like to me that most of the complaining and threatening to quit is being done by very long term players who for the most part are also op. Although some may not be it seems they are still holding onto the way the game was in the past. It is hard for someone who has played a game for years and watched it change in ways they really don't agree with but for fairly new players this update is awesome. And yes i'm sure some people will leave the game but not enough to really hurt the game. I talk to players all the time in the game that are trying to build and this update will help that.

    As far as pvp, yes it will be different. Very different. But those of us that haven't spent years doing pvp in this game won't miss the old way much and can embrace this new way where everyone is fairly even in power. I'm looking forward to the update.

    And for players that are really upset about the sapphires, i get that you paid real money to purchase them but you really don't own anything in this game even if you spent real money. Thats in the terms and conditions. And besides it's not fair to newer players who would never be able to catch up if older players have a bunch of gems and gear that are really powerful and aren't even available anymore. And your being compensated with runes to replace the gems you just won't have the op attack speed like you used to which is fair.
     
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  20. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    Im just a man, former player remember we talk about credibility in a game developed by a company that lie all the time, so if i dont have credibility what BP have or don't have, how about all of you that support this company?..
    Let me put here some video that support my affirmations.
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44579262
    Maybe i said few times that i will quit, but i have quit so my credibility...i dont know i guess it stand.Is it?
    Is not hate, is not revenge is all about a game that i used to like, what devs has done to it and what they can do or they should do...but you right why should i care, i have waist to much time to try to bring some ideas so that we can have a beautiful game, now is your turn to do that if you can ...
    But remember is not nice to say that "If you quit mind your own business stop bringing ur hate on forum"
    I have give my tribute to the game i deserve to use this forum like any player.
    If you dont like what i say just debate and give me some arguments not a childish sentence.[/QUOTE]
    but screaming about leaving the game for good and then returning isn't an argument to boost your credibility
    some are not legit complaining about balance, they believe pvp is balanced now, because they benefit from it
    They are outraged because they'll lose their power, they aren't making solid arguments about why this release is bad
    You know, they are acting like the reactionaries during the french revolution
     

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