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  1. teddy.bear

    teddy.bear Team Leader Team Drakensang Online

    Dear Heroes of Dracania,

    You can find here the detailed Release 221 Patchnotes.

    We're looking forward to your feedback!

    If you are unsure what sort of feedback is being asked for, please read this thread.
    Any off-topic posts/pointless rants will be deleted.

    Best regards,
    Your Drakensang Online Team
     
  2. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Add to that Trakilaki's known issue:
    If you stun Dragan while he is trying to activate a laser, he will activate 2 lasers instead of none/one.
     
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  3. Theusen

    Theusen Active Author

    Its GST all owa again! (In case U dont know GST is Grand Sapphire Theft)
    So what abot my 2 Jewels of timeless rage???
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    They are made of 6 normal jewels, but are now worth just as little as a guy who has 2 tier 1 timeless ragegems?? Hows that fair?
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    I say its GST 2.0!
    And what about my 7 bloodstones that was supposed 2 be converted into Amathyst but never was???
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    And what about this:
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    According 2 all intell Im only allowed 5x Jewel of Furtherance in my boots, but this gives me 6x Jewel of Furtherance!!!
    And there NO mention of a T2 Jewel of Furtherance... With the upcomming Xmasevent I have NO reason to get the grand price from that event!

    Are U sure U thought this through?

    -edit- also wheres "part 2"???!!!???
    Only releasing "part 1" is kindda lame IMHO... -kindda like: "Yeah we are 2tally gunna tell U guys something, but all the other stuff U just hafta keep guessing on!!! We like 2 keep things from U as a surprise so U can go FACEPALM when U realize those 5 shadowgems U kept 4 seven yrs+ and where 2tally uselless that whole time we are suddenly gunna make important 2 Ur gameplay now 3 months after U finally sold them! -U may not find this funny, but its REALLY funny 2 us devs, cuz we really couldnt care less about those people that stick with us and just keep playing our game and pay 2 us!"

    TY 4 allwayz never being there 4 Us BP! -U really have the best game developed by the worst people ever...
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
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  4. Shansurri

    Shansurri Active Author

    Looks like you gave the end game players something to do for a couple of days. Gotta craft those extra royals into new jewels, and buff up a couple of cloaks. Then they will go back to being end game-- and bored again.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to ignore these updates which don't really provide us with any advantages. I used to make high level runs-- now I don't. What's the point, when it just uses more and more resources with no noticeable rewards? DSO is turning this more and more into a game of luck-- removing the jesters just to make every potential item in the game a lucky drop. And if we aren't the lucky ones? Oh well.

    By the way, as a mid level player I worked hard to get my solstice stars-- now they are being converted into something that is fundamentally worthless. More nerfing of my characters. Thanks DSO. But when I get extra royals, I can make cool jewels right? In another five years or so?
     
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  5. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Board Analyst

    You think you'll have extra royals in only 5 years? Congrats.

    I'm looking at converting my first Sacred Ruby to Royal somewhere around Dec.
    My first Sacret Onyx to Royal probably next March-June.
    Maybe in 10 years after that I'll have a spare Royal Ruby or Onyx.

    Now defensive... Diamonds, Emeralds, Amethyst... I might be making my first Royals for those in 2025. Extras? They won't come till 2040.
     
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  6. edrogers58

    edrogers58 Junior Expert

    Another Update
    Another Nerf
    Another Theft
    Another Exodus

    Do you really think we enjoy farming for things to watch them be stolen ??
    Or is this the developers idea get rid of long term players just have new players that don't remember this was once a good game ?
     
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  7. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Duke

    Well, you can make the dust from the extra jewels... and improve the other ones for this. Unless you have a great overflow of royal gems for some reason or are a whale P2W, you are going to need the dust very much...

    Yeah, something is wrong there. But, alas, odds of them changing it and making it fair before the update are second to none.
    Hope dies the last, they say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I'm pretty sure they will convert them... somewhen.

    Btw... use imgur for images, change the tool to ShareX or something... since we can't see your images unless we're logged in to the Lightshot website.

    If you sold ANYTHING, what can I say... Your mistake.

    If you're getting rid of something that can be useful (like the tank gear, sold be DKs after R214, about which they whined when R220 was coming about)...
    Or, if you're getting rid of something that does not clutter your inventory (like the Shadow Stones, which you could simply keep in currently unused items)...
    ...welp. Just don't come crying about that.

    Adding triple royals with the current gem drop rate looks like a problem for me... even if we might see a solution to it soon.
    Converting crafted jewels of timeless rage to simply a single new jewel of rage, or crafted powerful onyx skulls to simply a single new jewel is a problem in my opinion.
    Converting legacy unused gems to something good and actually useful is good, and if you sold legacy stuff... well, one does not simply sell stuff like that.
     
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  8. Moonbreaker99

    Moonbreaker99 Forum-Greenhorn

    Drops of Unique and legendary seem to be nerfed back to where they were prior to 220, or maybe even lower. Maybe they are trying to make people quit playing !!
     
  9. bezryl

    bezryl Active Author

    im not too fond of all this stuff trying to take gems from us, first to make capes we must GAMBLE gems..? i thought you took out the jesters? is this a new way to gamble? now they want royal gems to make these jewls...? not everyone has royal gems sitting around to throw away, infact ill wager most people dont...

    the capes seem meh, if they dont have stats to compete with khaly cape or new moon ones aint nobody gona bother imo they all seem like crap except maybe the ranger one

    event attires: just more p2w nothing new:(
     
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  10. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Duke

    Pay to... win what? Rather a machine to squish money from people willing to pay. I'm not opposed to it, really.

    What I am concerned about are the new "triple royals". P2W whales can pay their way there, while it would take ages for a F2P with the current drop rates. A solution to this could be either an increase of gem drop rates or a new, efficient way to obtain them in large amount. No, I don't count the new DtU chests.
     
  11. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    ugh, the exchange rate is terrible again. onyx skull is worth the same as a powerful onyx skull? timeless jewel of rage is the same as a jewel of rage? seriously? no wonder players are quitting and/or deleting their characters.

    It would have been better/fairer if the exchange rates reflected some of the old craft jewels. For example,

    1 jewel of rage (old) = 1 jewel of rage (common) (new)
    1 timeless jewel of rage (old) = 3 jewel of rage (common) (new)

    Or give a higher rarity of jewel of rage for the timeless.

    And do something similar for the onyx skulls -
    1 onyx skull old = 1 new
    1 fortified onyx skull old = 3 new
    1 powerful onyx skull old = 9 new
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2019
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  12. Tilwin90

    Tilwin90 Padavan

    Jewels of Coalescing
    Wow... I had read about the Jewels of Coalescence from the Test Server thread and I'm shocked to see that this is getting pushed through. The gems economy is already a complete and utter disaster, let alone building on top of that more silliness. Let's review the math, shall we?
    3 Flawed = 1 Splintered
    3 Splintered = 1 Simple
    3 Simple = 1 Full
    3 Full = 1 Polished
    3 Polished = 1 Radiant
    3 Radiant = 1 Flawless
    3 Flawless = 1 Sacred
    3 Sacred = 1 Royal

    Hence 1 Royal = 6561 (3^8) Flawed = 2187 (3^7) Splintered
    I am not even bothering to look further since the drop rate of that is absurd.
    NOW imagine you are aiming for an offensive gem. The drop of those is rarer than for the regular gems. So you can expect what?
    - Let's say the drop is 1/2 runs. That's what? 10000+ runs to make a Royal gem?

    But waaait... because you need three of those to create a Jewel of Coalescence. Fine fine, assuming you can have some defensive ones there, that's still a crazy number of runs.
    I know of quite a few people who have been playing this game for quite some years and still haven't reached Royals. I myself am sitting with Royal Rubies due to andermant purchases, but all my Onyxes are Sacred at the moment (and some due to Sapphires conversion), while my defensive gems are most at Flawless stage.

    I was very happy to see that improved/magic Royals were at least stopping this maddening trend.

    So what happens now? Well, people growing organically (that is not throwing hundreds of thousands of andermant into the gems) will not benefit from this upgrade, while whales will get even further into the game. And if at least we were talking about a decent level of whaling. 700k+ andermant for a Jewel of Coalescing is anything but decent.
    And let's look at the damage bonus you can get from 5 Jewels of Coalescing that contain Magic Royal Rubies. They give more than the gray Royal Rubies. Times 5. AND you can actually insert those into any items you want, you are no longer restricted to adornment, weapon and off-hand for offensive gems. LIKE WHAT?!

    This is not quality of life, or exciting improvement, it's just one of those really cool things you see and you know will probably never get to have. Super disappointing...

    (normally I wouldn't give a dime about the game offering more without taking anything back, but after the R220 fiasco I am sure they will simply make everything even MORE difficult, with whales whining about the game being "too easy for noobs"... if by not spending your whole salary on this game you're a noob, that's one way to look at losing even more of your player base. this is just not fun anymore)


    New Cloaks
    Adamant Magma
    Is definitely cute for spellweavers (I see you guys are REALLY pushing fireball to be a thing), but I have no idea how those fireballs will fire. If they are in an arc's directions, then they won't be that great against bosses (unless you sit REALLY close to them... sure, an option). If they hit in the same direction (like Sigri's set does with the ice missiles), then they won't be that great against mobs. So looking forward to seeing how this goes.

    I'm curious to see what dragonknights have to say about it. For mechs and rangers the effect certainly looks meh. (a burn effect? really?!)

    Duplicitous Trophy
    Since bosses are our biggest concern right now, yet another stun is nothing to go wow about. At least for us spellweavers it's certainly not exciting. It's weird how they attached it to the jump of every class save for the mechs. (I wonder if that could be better or worse in any way)


    The great jewel thievery
    I don't really have that many great jewels, so I can't say this will affect me directly, but I can certainly see how the conversion rate is not fair. It's not okay to convert all old jewels, regardless of their tier, to the same new jewel. I can see how people are frustrated and pissed of this.


    Event attires
    Curious to see how expensive these will be (I imagine they are going to be paid in andermant). It might actually be more profitable to get one of those than invest in shining silver essences (due to the existence of these stupid essences I wasn't able to farm the Blood Moon event properly...).
    I find it so devious how these attires tackle both the Full Moon problem (essences) and New Moon problem (slow progress). It clearly shows the team at Bigpoint is okay with how disparate these two events are... no surprise there though?


    I missed the past few Defeat the Undefeatables events so looking forward to seeing how those play but certainly reading "drakens from progression have been lowered" doesn't look very promising.
     
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  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    They ruined the DtU event, which was a good opportunity to farm drakens
    They enacted the second act of grand theft gems, the grand theft of unique jewels

    I have misunderstood something, i fought those new jewels had a specific place in each times
    Instead you have to use them in place of actual gems

    In other words, not only they made farming pointless, they actually steal and take away the results of farming, making farming even more pointless
    One of the worst updates in the entire game, by far

    The cloaks aren't useful for spellweavers in any way
    Why would i use fireballs? and why should i care that i can petrify the bosses?
     
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2019
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  14. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Dropping 3-6 gems every 3 minutes is bad drop? I don't think so. You have to play smart if you want to speed up the process.
    SW have other benefits that others classes don't so what? A cloak is not worth for a SW? Then don't use it, and wait for the next cloaks coming. Herald is related with fire that's why it's linked with fireball, if you wait for the next release youll see that SW will have OP cloak ;) Im not SW and that Herald cloak is useless for me too.
     
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  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Overlooker

    But how can they suggest such a unique cloak that next to none will use?I brought up the SW example as i am a SW, but others have brought it up for the other classes

    and what is the point of putting in an equipment which would be useless to practically everyone?

    Do they pay you for shilling?man, it would be sad if they don't
     
  16. edrogers58

    edrogers58 Junior Expert

    Aside from being one of the worst updates you guys have done
    Now we have a bug back in Khalys that took you months to fix
    After killing Khalys her Alts continue to fight
    Instead of your development team doing stupid challenges and dumb stuff on social media
    Why don't they concentrate on there job at hand take some pride in there work instead of being so incompetent
     
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  17. Akageshi

    Akageshi Old Hand

    The Grand Theft Gemstone
    I don't quite understand why the old gem stone update was necessary. The Grand Theft Gemstone has not affected me personally, as I have some, but not the higher tiers; however, what's the point of it?

    The P2W attires
    The P2W attires make me cringe. You pay and suddenly you don't need silver essences, you don't need wood, you get 50% more progress points; you can basically just sit and wait till the game does it for you.
    I get a f2p game needs to get the money somehow. So let's say this is a cringy necessity.

    The new not-so-impressive cloaks
    The 2 new cloaks are pretty useless. I think the game design team does not understand that if there are 20 variations of something, out of which 1 is much better than the rest 19; or the 1 is much easier to obtain and still decent, those remaining 19 become worthless.
    Make different variations matter, that's what I mean. Nobody is gonna use the Duplicitous Trophy cape unless petrification is actually useful on par with plain damage.
    Instead we still have pretty good old unique capes + Adamant Magma which boosts a playstyle that does not need any further boosting - rather the opposite.

    The Jewel of RoyalGemDustescence
    Are there actually people who have spare royals? O: Are there people who can grind gems to dust? :|



    All in all, this patch does not bring anything exciting. Just a bunch of stuff that most players will not utilize ever; and a bunch of stuff that the oldest players get upset with.

    I'm already afraid of the DtU, because from the intel that's been shared on this board, it seems it's going to be harder and less rewarding :|
     
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  18. cigarbennett

    cigarbennett Junior Expert

    GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! You just upgrade the old gems with out giving us a choice!!!!!!!!!!!! BULL!!!!!!!!!!!! WTH are we suppose to put in our cloaks now????????????? Again you destroy my toon over night. I am sick of these revisions. Nothing but bull!!!!!

    Five and half years doing near every event for those runes now useless collecting dust in my locker. Again the developers have punished us for playing and even bothering with their events.. This is a game where players should be rewarded not punished for playing. Sick of your revisions.
     
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  19. Arr

    Arr Forum Expert

    -you dont need jewels of coalescing, you dont need attires
    -new jewels are better than old runes, hence you have better stats now
    -in future events they will give you jewels you already have so you can grind them into dust
    -you can keep your current cloak if you dont like the new ones

    you can save some typing by using that as your signature
     
  20. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I'm just saying my opinion about some things, we don't need to agree, Im not a "shill" for that, can't you understand it?
    I'm not happy with the direction the game is taking, but there's a difference with that and with complaining about such not real problems as the cloaks you mentioned, there will be a cloak for SW and probaby more OP than Herald cloak can be for a medium ranger.
    So... just wait, there's a lot of uniques not worth depending on the class or the level you are. Should I mention all the uniques superbenfitial for SW that are useless for rangers? I'm a ranger and Khalys cloak is still better for me than the new Herald cloak.
    I'll not complain about gems drop when I really think the drop is good, I do 3-6 gems (of different grades, not ever the lowest) each 3 minutes on q1.
    My only problem and worry now is the fact that devs are focusing the releases in creating new ingredients to craft new stuff.
    Creating the regional ingredients and being able to improve royals to green and blue was a good idea, but if devs starts abusing the idea like it seems they are doing the game will crash or become worst. Cloaks could have been dropped as any other item does, but they decided to make new ingredient and ask you for spend gems on it too. That's not the good direction to take, same for new jewels.
    Suggestion: Don't focus all your efforts in exploiting the ingredient crafting idea.
     

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