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  1. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

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  2. papalel

    papalel Forum-Apprentice

  3. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Not bad, but with the Dark Warlord set, you'd expect higher damage.
    I feel your pain when it comes to crit... so many nice items, but nothing with good crit to offset the awesome stuff you get from the Warlord items. :-(
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  4. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    Testing at m2 farming (obviously this is a farm config) and this config seems works better (i get more profit from the 261% crit dmg):

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    i miss 50 dmg, but i do much more crit hits.. i feel i run faster... the point is i need hp.. with keen belt it should be solved :)
     
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  5. .paschall.

    .paschall. Junior Expert

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  6. Hartvig

    Hartvig Forum Inhabitant

    Well, this will maybe be the last time I share stats... I really disaprove of BP´s recent work as you maybe know! :D

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    It´s nothing insane, I haven´t used much money, and I haven´t used all of the last years on this game(I´m glad i didn´t!)
    There is only 3 things I am going to work on now, Lv 40 fame, a bit more glyphs, and farm mortis for the helmet or sword(which will probably never drop). First things first, I´m doing PvP ATM unless i have to complete an event. I don´t know about glyphs after that... depends on how BP are doing, but when it comes to mortis, I will keep on farming with my guildmates once in a while;)
     
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  7. papalel

    papalel Forum-Apprentice

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    A little update on my toon. Change my belt and shield, so i lose a bit of crit and damage. Increased my hp and armour.
     
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  8. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I finally gave in and melted my old Sargon set and put the 3M + glyphs into my current gear. The results is a 1H Tank to be reckoned with... the only thing I'm really missing is crit and crit damage.
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    75.23% Reduction for the armor
    68.32% Chance to block
    76.73% Block amount
    22.98% Crit Chance
    40.63% Resistance

    As you can see, all these are no ess and no pet. As I don't care about Crit in this build, I'm looking for a low level legendary torso with three or four lines of HP to take the place of the Red Ess torso and then replace the Mortis amulet with the Dragonache Amulet for 5v5. Armor may drop 100-200, but HP will go up 500+ and fire resist will be over 1800.

    This is what a 2.5-3.0 year old F2P can do in this game.

    P.S.
    Oh, and before anyone tries to say "Only 2069 Block rate? I have 2400 on my Wolf Shield," I ask you to do the following calculation. Multiply your Rate times your Block amount in decimal form and see the result.... that number is the effectiveness of your block in equivalent damage reduction over time. Mine comes out to 52.42% Damage reduction on average... most of those piece of crap Wolf shields have about 40%-45%. That is why a good legendary shield can't be beat.
     
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  9. AlexC

    AlexC Forum-Apprentice

    Hi,
    why no one in this thread using Amon's Reward set?

    Isn't it supposed to be one of the best sets of the game?

    thanks

    ps: Baragain, awesome DK. I think that's the higher armor value i've seen posted here.
     
  10. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    Sorry to disappoint you, Ammon's set is currently one of the crappiest.
    @Bargain, I think you lack travel speed as well. If you mostly just PVE (which I think you do if I remember correctly) it is really wiser to get more offense rather than full defense IMO.
     
  11. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    .. why this difference of 500 dmg between min and max if only ess armor gives you max dmg bonus?
    which spells has your weapon adorn.? and which gems?.. i'm curious about that cause having "similar gear" your dmg and mine are veeeery different... thnx!
     
  12. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    The very fact that no one in this thread is using Ammons Set speaks to the fact that it is not anywhere near the best. I've been thinking about getting the torso for it's resist, but the set as a whole is awful.
    Thanks, but you are right that I only have 5% extra travel speed. I'm actually doing a lot of 5v5 at the moment which is why I am full defensive. I have a set of legendary LVL 45 boots that are 20.2% speed, but I don't use them. Believe me, I tried them, but without LVL 35 fame, I lose too much defensive stats to switch to the boots (about 1300 HP and 584 armor.) Until I get LVL 35 fame, I need tankiness to survive against LVL 40 PVP Mages and Rangers. I actually did a pure speed build just for laughs and with the gear I have, I had 35.2% speed. Put in the 20% for PvP and the 40% for Battle Cry, I was running faster on foot than people could on a normal mount... It was hilarious!
    There are three or four main differences. First, my weapon decoration has 57 damage and 221 crit. Second, and more importantly is the Steam Axe. It has 100% weapon damage and I have it loaded with 3x20 Damage and 2x15 Damage gems. Full Keen's also gives another 25 damage, but again, that is not the biggest part and as you pointed out, my Ess torso has 32 damage. So, in conclusion, (57+25+32)*1.75=200 Damage, and the Steam Axe makes up the rest of the difference.
     
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  13. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    I think he might have been asking about the difference (gap) between minimum and maximum damage, unless I misunderstood. (Not sure what he meant by 500).

    If that was the question, I am pretty sure I know the answer: these head gems. _Bara_ probably has two of them. I have two of them myself. Two is the most anyone can have, I think, since they were only offered in two events (Defeat the Undefeatable I and II).

    Here's my last stats pic. (My HP and resist are higher now, but it doesn't matter for this.) You can see a similar gap in min/max base damage:

    [Actually, my min/max dmg gap is 100. Bara's is 83. Maybe he is only using one of those head gems?]

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  14. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    He was talking about my 2H stats picture and the difference between my toon and his (or at least that is how I interpreted it). If he was talking about the 500 damage gap between my Min and Max on my 2H, that would be because 30% of a smaller number is not as much as 30% of a larger number. Therefor, the higher one's damage, the larger the gap is going to be. The other cause of the gap is because the Steam Axe starts with a larger gap than a 2H sword does and like I said above, the higher the damage goes, the bigger the gap will get.

    And yes, I actually have one of those max damage gems in my helm.
     
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  15. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    Ah, that makes sense. I didn't look as far back as the 2-hand pics. (Even though they were just a little further up on the page, and his is right beneath yours.)

    Yeah - I see after looking back - it is a 500 pt gap but it does make sense based on what you wrote.

    Also, I believe an ax (which you were using) has a naturally wider (base weapon damage) gap than a sword (which he's using). This would contribute somewhat to the gap as well. A hammer/mace would make the gap even wider, I believe.

    I figured (after thinking it over for a second) you probably had one "Jewel of Immunity" head gem, based on the difference in the damage gap between my setup and yours.

    Isn't practical mathematics fun :)
     
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  16. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Isn't that what I said?
    So very much!
     
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  17. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    Ah, didn't know you don't have 40 fame! I was just thinking since you are a super old player you probably have 40 fame already! Also, if you were switching to speed boots, I wouldn't be using keen's glove if I were you. Overall, I just don't play super defensive myself since I hate getting hit by the "value curve" and will not be able to "carry" a game when my teammates are too weak.
    P.S. 35.2% speed is fast but I've seen faster. In fact, I tried a pure speed build with my dwarf and I had around 45% travel speed but it was not that fun when people "stood their flags". In the end I ditched the build since I get speed bonus from Iron dwarf when I run flag anyways. (also because I accidentally melted my boots with 20% travel speed when I wasn't using it)
     
  18. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    As you say, I've been around a while. Truth is, I tried getting into PvP two years ago, but at that time, PvP was totally owned by the P2P because they all had the gems I couldn't afford and used reds (when they still did 300% even in PvP). The average time I lasted in a 3v3 was 10-20 seconds and my average score was 20-50 points. Only recently did they balance PvP enough that I was able to start getting a foothold against the heavy P2Ps through use of glyps (obtained through farming PvE which is where I dominate).

    I actually had a good team earlier today and was able to run the speed boots some. It turns out that with a decent team, I can use them, and then, when I get back to my base and need to wait on my team to kill their OP flag carrier, I can switch to the Keens Boots for the defense.
     
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  19. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    Yea Bara, indeed i was refering to your basic dmg gap, and de difference between yours and mine,... i'm using this sword:
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    it is:
    +175 crit
    +92 dmg
    +34,5% weapon dmg
    +30,7% crit dmg
    but i NEED a MUCH higher dmg sword only 448dmg/sec with this :( for the moment i've opened 35 and nothing, i dunno what to do i feel lost north i got 8 milion of glyphs of 10,5 for leveling it.. every day in m2 and i feel i never will get something... (i'm not crying just telling feelings)
     
  20. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    Oh, right, I forgot you mentioned that already by the time I finished writing my response. Oops. Must have been a long day.

    One of the worst feelings from this game is when you open many, many legendaries and still can't find what you want. I hope you find it soon!
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2014
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