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Try to make the game interesting for players, (High and low level)

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by oOKellueHazeOo, Apr 6, 2019.

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Are these good ideas?

  1. Xp block Yes

    6.3%
  2. Legacy server Yes

    18.8%
  3. Both

    18.8%
  4. No

    56.3%
  1. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Someday Author

    The only way to have a tiny bit of fun in this game now is to be level 55 and even then, it's too repetitive and no fun. The pw's are seriously boring (I understand repetition is needed for the leaderboards) I mean the quests are not rewarding for completing at all and as for the actual q's themselves they are just simply no fun. LvL 55's need more things to do besides from leaderboards and crafting to become the strongest + events, maybe more maps. maybe some places where Only level 55's can go with different mobs and more bosses.

    Another thing that makes high level boring is the lack of variety between sets, Warriors only use Q7 set with Q9 amulet, new moon set and some other rings, Rangers only use q7 set and around the same set as wars from what ive heard, mages only use Q4 and Q7 (sometimes mixed with q9) and dwarves with Q7/8 and dragan. Where are the fun playstyles at?

    Mid level - I dont really have much experience with that since the level 45 days so I can't say much ,but from what ive heard and played recently it isn't all that bad, it's pretty fun as long as you play with a friend.

    Low level - Low level got completely obliterated, And for what reason? Was it really harming anything in the game? Level 45/50 was still hugely populated and pvp was still very very active. I say around 30% of the game's players probably played and enjoyed low level, It was so fun to farm and help out players higher than you because you can kill their mobs, There was so much fun to be had at low level because pvp was prominent, I remember the days I was playing capture the flag on a regular basis with my level 9 char and then just farming gorga/sigris normal or hard for glyphs of power with random players (I never had any farming friends in those days :D) But many players did make many friends to play pvp with and play events with. The only problem I really seen was that new players became discouraged to play pvp because they would always die to stronger players but hey.. That's game's for you, you can't start a game and expect to have a fair chance against everyone, you need experience, you need to learn, you need to level up your char or learn how to upgrade your items after all this is somewhat of an rpg game.

    I think one way to bring back many old players or make the game just better for everyone could be adding an option where you can disable xp gains if you choose to. This would allow any player to become strong and earn better items and get glyphs, and even participate in events without needing a higher player to block xp for them, this would benefit many players who enjoyed playing at low level and players who simply want a fresh start as they may be bored of high level.

    OR

    Make a legacy server, A server that has lvl 45 as the max level, COT back, Old workbench, no costs and no gold lines ;) , Set new moon and full moon events to just rotate at a set rate so you dont really have to do anything , set winter event every winter ofc, and you decide what to do with the other events.
    Just a server where we can enjoy the old times if we want to, Yes it would take a lot of work but it would result in quite a few players returning and allows people to switch when they get bored of whatever server they are playing :).
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2019
  2. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Great Master

    Exp block was harmful to the game. I did have twink toons back in the days because it was popular, but never played them too much... PvP was just as stupid on low level as it was on the level cap. Of course now it is even more stupid, but that's a whole different topic.

    A legacy server doesn't make sense either. Trust me, there would be not enough players there, just yet one more ghost town. Many of the players forming the current community don't even remember those times. Some of those who do don't like those old times anyways. Many of those who did like those times don't want to be stuck for indefinite time at an old version with no perspective for changes to come. Almost none of those who have left would return just for such a server.

    The problem is that players of low character strength should be matched with other players of similar power level, not with some twinks, which, even when developed only a little bit, are godmode for regular leveling players (because those have no time to acquire good gear, because the exp goes too fast).
    And the problem is that this is virtually impossible to be fixed, provided the game is made the way it's currently made.
    Currently the newcomers are detered from pvp by:
    1. Old legacy twinks who have glyphes to level white/green gear far beyond the level they are and destroy everyone in PvP.
    2. Any sort of exploiters, who either have abused exploits to gain gear they shouldn't have or are continuously exploiting in the arena to improve their block rate, crit rate, decrease those for the others, alter other stats (like running speed), to auto-aim, etc.
    3. Any random person (rather a second toon of an experienced player) who has farmed some maps lower than their level to get glyphes, gems (for PvE), good base state green items, etc. (even just to the point where they can solo PvE without asking others for help). Yes, it's enough to smash a regular leveling toon. Now think what would a real twink do.
    First one can be fixed by simply making proper PvP (eg. Traki's suggestion) which wouldn't rely on the base stats. Second one obviously by fixing exploits and banning the old exploiters. The third point would require a total change in meta (or maybe just Trak's suggestion...).

    For reference: PvP Gear and balance proposal

    There you are (almost) right. Other build are possible, but for those who know what to do, and will always be inferior to the meta builds (well, at least properly played meta builds - on the other hand, the meta builds are usually quite easy to play).
    So, make some new good uniques!
     
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  3. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Exp block is terrible and did tremendous damage to the game.

    One of the reasons that level 45 was interesting was that it existed before crafting 2.0. Gear options and builds could often be based around random legendary drops.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2019 at 1:12 AM
  4. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Someday Author

    Exp block did tremendous damage? Are you ok? From what I seen most people actually enjoyed it and preferred low level over high level because it was more fun and there was more sense of achievement, If anything has done damage to the game it's the community complaining over stupid stuff in the forums instead of suggesting useful ideas :'D Oh and the dev's share 2 brain cells between the whole of the team so they dont even listen to what we have to say.
     
  5. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    It was fine for the people who wasted their time doing exp block it but discouraged new players from joining. The small player base (and thus small revenue) is the result of some of the problems today.
     
  6. oOKellueHazeOo

    oOKellueHazeOo Someday Author

    Hm, most of those people who did xp block was in the same position as these newbies, except they had a couple more brain cells and decided to farm and upgrade their weapons besides from complaining and screaming "MAKE PVP MORE FAIR IM NEW AND I EXPECT ULTRA FAIR PVP BATTLES!!!"
     
  7. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Exceptional Talent

    Only the delusional would think that PvP would or could ever be fair. War is not fair. Life is not fair. Love is not fair.

    If it was, nobody would strive to be better because they never could be better. Thus the attempt to be better in a fair world is the definition of fruitless wasted effort.
     
  8. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Inhabitant

    Be better by effort but not by definition, this is not the real life, so why if you can manage a thing once don't you do it fair?
    It will not be fair if I kill a level 52 in PvP, obviously, or if gems and runes work in PvP and I kill some players with less gems and runes power.
    But if gems and runes (and set bonuses+enchantments) do not work in PvP, shouldn't be fair the battles then? Talking about being all lv55 players.
    They are not so we have a problem.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2019 at 11:55 PM
  9. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Count Count

    I have to question this assumption. I have played on Tegan since Dec 2011, the 2nd least populated server today. I have kept old friends on my f-list and the pattern of players leaving the game is actually related to content updates. My friends on the list that left are lvl 40, 45, 50 & 55. The friends I got a chance to chat with before they quit all cited changes in the pve. None of them quit for any pvp reasons until the one-hit meta took over and those were all lvl 55s, not twinks.

    Also, I have used to play on Agathon as a twink thru 2014. There where more twinks and twink guilds on that server than Tegan. Yet, Agathon has a larger population today even though it was once about equal to Tegan.

    And, no, I am not endorsing twinks or xp block. I just I believe it was the actions of the devs, not a specific group of players, that caused the problems of low-pop servers.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2019 at 2:02 PM
  10. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Someday Author

    nah
    one more time about twinks
    the most ppl who are/was crying about twinks was always 50/55lvl who even doesn't seen twinks on arena/farm but they cry that sb can/want have op stats on low lvl character

    2years ago i had twink and many newbies thank me for help in fast farm/leveling up, nobody of them don't cry me that i had op stats on 35lvl, where i had stats like average 50lvl

    about twinks on pvp
    if i spend 3,5 year to build stats on my twink why i should have 50%;50% chance on pvp with 2days newbie?

    if sb of u with few year char, with op stats meet newbie on 55lvl how looks this fight? 2sec and win? this is the same what was on twinks if i do better stats = i have more chance to win and there isn't any diffrents that it was on 10lvl, 30lvl or 55lvl

    ps. pvp never will be fair, there can be changing and 1 class is op today but in next year can be another one but there always will be advantage 1st class above 2nd
     
  11. Dzungla

    Dzungla Junior Expert

    Because those who are on the way up to 55 levels got tortured by your kind (related to quote, nothing personally)

    It is not the same because newbie will: learn or leave pvp @ the end game, where it should be doing.
     
  12. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Someday Author

    if u have all eq t8 on 55lvl and u meet newbie on t1-3 u are kid bc u kill him? hypocrite

    this is the same
    how much newbie who play 1 week on 55lvl can learn? nothink as 30lvl who exp and doen't has any knowlage about game/stats etc

    if u want 'fair' pvp go play some FPS or MOBA game
     
  13. Akageshi

    Akageshi Exceptional Talent

    XP blocking is AWFUL, AWFUL, and more AWFUL, ad you shall burn in hell.

    Why? Because the reason you build a low level character with OP stats is to DESTROY every other low level character and MOCK them in the arena with AWFUL chat messages and emotes. It's A.W.F.U.L. mainly because YOU HAVEN'T EARNED YOUR POWER ON YOUR OWN. You had your stupid twink carried ALL THE BLOODY TIME by either your high level friends, or by clueless high levels who helped you out in good faith.
    NO, I will NEVER respect these practices. Nobody should.
     
  14. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Someday Author

    cry cry cry
    u don't see twinks on ur eyes but u have the most to says ;p
    when i play thinks i farm even with 50lvl and i clean map, 50lvl(50lvl was max in this time) only collect loot ;d(i prefered lower lvl, but sometimes i don't have a choice)

    again i ask:
    if u go arena with all eq t8 and 60lvl what chance will have 55lvl with items t1-3 and 55lvl of items agains to u? than what is a diffrents on it and twinks?
     

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