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why ice missile is so weak !!! and Q8 set is useless in Mage

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ِDo you love Q8 in this update as mage ?

  1. yes like it

    9 vote(s)
    56.3%
  2. no i hate Q8 set because of low damage in new update

    4 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. i don't knew

    3 vote(s)
    18.8%
  1. Arman♥

    Arman♥ Forum-Apprentice

    Hi its my stat
    29k damage
    4.06 critical damage 7
    5% critical hit rate

    i can't play Q8 mod3 because mobs have so many ice resistance and my cit damge hit only 7k on the mobs and on the world boss is 6k !!!!

    also I became depressed form this update. maybe i stop this game because ice missile haven't damage !! in pve and pvp .in this update Q8 set is cheap and useless . i don't knew why
    Developers Weaken ice missile.

    [​IMG]
     
  2. silverseas

    silverseas Forum Commissioner

  3. Arman♥

    Arman♥ Forum-Apprentice

    hi I've read this article before . the Big problem is in this release(214_12) ice missile damage changed form 40%base Damage to 30% base Damage it cause low damage on the mobs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    its main reason that cause ice missed ice missile would be cheap and useless
     
  4. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    http://prikachi.com/images.php?images/804/9466804P.png
    I think you forget that you are using q8 or the fact that you dont know how it works.
    The set lowers its base dmg from 75 to 30% but instead you get 3 shots so aka 3x30=90%
    You havent lost anything,,

    On the other question q8 is useless because onstead of standing an spamming q8 you can just throw 2 ice spheres adn get the job done faster.
    And since you have played to get this set you want to make use of it so you use it and you slow yourself ( this is the psychological effect) i suggest you ditch it out
     
  5. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    So use fireball. Sure, you may not be able to spam it like IM, but with the elemental resistance mechanic, you should do better damage.

    Adapt and overcome.
     
  6. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    that's bad, he should use ice sphere, which is the go to crowd control skill for mages
    If he has q4 set, he should use lightning strike

    But fireball is literally useless in pve
     
  7. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    He is specifically complaining about the skill being weak in Q8 because those monsters are resistant to ice. Frost Sphere would be similarly weaker. Lightning Strike would likely be better for all but Sigris because I believe he has some lighting resist also.
     
  8. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    true, but in my experience i did not find those new resistances particulary troublesome

    If i wasn't aware they existed i wouldn't notice them

    The only way he could complain about sigri is that the unique bonus of the armor doesn't apply to bosses

    That's how sigri should be used for mages, spam ice missile to lower the costs for the use of either lightning or ice sphere
     
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  9. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Baron

    To begin with...
    You're wrong. It was like that in R212 already.

    First it was 3x 30% (=90%) with set and 1x 40% without.
    Then they made it 3x 40% (=120%) with set (which was a bug) and 1x 50% without.
    Then they bugged it by even more.
    Then they fixed it and now it is 3x 30% (=90%) with set and 1x 75% without.
     
  10. ghostmagicus

    ghostmagicus Forum Pro

    The ideea is that Q8 is kind of useles now for mage.
     
  11. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Baron

    Not totally useless... it's possible to play with it, as I do it.

    To make it on pair with q1 in endgame, just change buff stacking on hitting a frost-covered enemy into stacking on crit, or simply let us deal the frost effect to bosses, for stacks and increased damage (2p. talent), and not for slowdown - kinda like electrification and ranger marking.
     
  12. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    We already had this topic and the problem was that if you can get bonus dmg by covering the boses in ice that woulcd me an you geting reduced mana . aka making any other set literary useless compared to this
    Karabossa useless grimmag robe useless because you can just spam ice missle then hit a spell with almost no mana cost , do you see just how broken op it will be ?
     
  13. Dharles

    Dharles Forum-Apprentice

    if you using sigris set, for faster killing boss you must use magic missil to fill your mana bar. Only two times click to change it on skill set up,,you know there is mark as I or II thing. But if you want make it simple,,you must start thinking about using twin set from newmoon event,the boots,adornment and cape,,must use magic missile against mobs tho.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2018
  14. Xerustes

    Xerustes Junior Expert

    Yes one can still play it, but compared to using an adornment that grants you 5% more damage as golden enchantment or 10% critical damage as Set Bonus.
    Those 15% more damage on ice missile is not worth mentioning.

    The best joke is comparing q8 Set of dwarf with that of a Mage. Although if you realise the difference (dwarf up to 330% damage each turret - Mage 90% on Ice missile) it is more crying than laughing......

    Xeru
     
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  15. Arman♥

    Arman♥ Forum-Apprentice

    i agree ! i killed boss so hard on inf1 while 1 darwf say to my i kill that boss in 8 second
     
  16. deliburan78

    deliburan78 Advanced

    I recommend you try x4 block power + 5% block chance build :rolleyes:
     
  17. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    The set hasnt been weakened it has always dealt 90% dmg it was bugged for 1 month that was it. If you want to find a way to utilise it you will find a way ofc you have to sacrifice boss killing speed
     
  18. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Ambassador

    the problem is that it is not good in either clearing maps or boss killing

    It's useless now
     
  19. menestrelul

    menestrelul Forum-Apprentice

    I do not think it's useless.Maybe it's useless at the boss, but on the map is good.
    There are 3 alternatives :
    MAGIC MISSILE deals 80% dmg +45% ( 3 talent pOint)= 116%
    But it has a problem - does not hit multiple targets.

    CHAIN LIGHTNING deals 66% of your base damage as lighting damege (with 10% dmg from 2 tp)+ 33% from electrified debuff = 87% dmg
    With q4 weapon, dealing 50% more dmg : 66% +50%(from 66%) = 99% dmg
    Fewer damage than the Magic missile but hit multiple targets and has a negative effect on monsters (with 5 tp).

    ICE MiSSILE with q8 set
    Produces 90% ( 3x30%) dmg + 25% from biting frost ( 2tp)= 112.5%
    "Piercing cold" ( 5tp) ...causing damage to the enemy behind it as well - multiple targets
    Frost Debuff(negative effect on enemies):-50% movement speed -15% attack speed
    Torso from set will reduce the cost of your next LS or FS ...to maximum 30 mana

    Compared to the lightning chain and the magic missile is a very good alternative.
    As this set does not work at boss I consider it a mistake from DSO, this has destroyed half its efficiency.
    All the exaggerated resistance to some of the bosses is a terrible mistake.
    When we have 200% ice and lightning resistance on the same monster, there is a lack of logic.
     
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  20. Dharles

    Dharles Forum-Apprentice

    Sigris set is the best set for killing mobs, all 3 ice missile skill activated.

    I want to make a correction, when using magic missile its should use the 2 item only with the Newmoon set the cloak and the adornment only.

    With 3 bellicose at the right part (exclude ring), the 6% is adding 1000 damage each part.
    two Newmoon set,and Witch set except the helm, give more DPS than Sigris, but the action is bad with mobs, I mean with farming is not that great,,its so bored using magic missile since years ago.

    I am very happy with the Sigris set. Not that good at killing boss,,although the 2 Newmoon part give more increase critical hit. I hope it could be greater with killing boss in the future.

    edit: rename the set
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2019

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